I hope not. I’ve been watching House of Cards which doesn’t help.
Back in the real world, wasnt a senior General saying a year or two back the army should stage a coup if Corbyn got in? That’s bloodshed talk, and there’s people out there with powerful friends.
Oh yes it is and the proof was in your lifetime.
sarcasm
When I read earlier that UKIP had called for suicide bombers to face the death penalty, I thought it was a fkn joke.
The problem is that May will probably adopt the policy.
You don’t have to be a Liberal to make the link between foreign policy and these type of attacks, you just need to have a brain. Could you give us a list of Islamic related terrorist attacks that occured before we stood ‘shoulder to shoulder’ with the US bombing the shit out of Iraq, Libya etc? Thought not. Do you think this is just a coincidence?
We joined in destroying these countries, in unprovoked attacks, purely for geo political reasons. Slaughtering untold thousands of their citizens, mainly by dropping bombs on them in the middle of the night. Does that class as terrorism? Purely because the West, ie, the US, want control of their assets. How dare they have our oil under their soil eh? Whether you like it or not, we have created the appalling refugee situation, and their hatred of us by our actions. You can’t get away from that. The laws of cause and effect always apply. Are you surprised that they have a “hatred of the West and it’s freedoms”? Really? You must be really naive if you are. The truth is that the thing that can’t be mentioned isn’t their “hatred of the West and it’s freedoms”, It is the uncomfortable truth that the actions of our governments, on our behalf, went a very long way to bringing us to where we are today. That is where you should be directing your anger. Harsh as it is to say it at the moment, but it needs to be said none the less. You reap what you sow.
I said the same sort of thing on the Fighting Terrorism thread, not quite so eloquently though, but got short shrift from @barry-sanchez !!
Lockerbie?
So you’re saying this is deserved? These children deserved this? Explain you reap what you sow and how that is valid in this situation?
Yvonne Fletcher.
Libyan Embassy.
@barry-sanchez you asked Bear to delete a post on this thread. Another thread has been set up to have a discussion on terrorism. Yet you continue to use this thread which I find a bit distasteful. Bearsy took on board what you said. Will you consider taking this discussion over to the other thread?
Of course and I apologise profusely for my actions if they seem antagonistic but I was asked a question.
Where did i say these children deserved it, a disgraceful thing to allege. You clearly have no comprehension of what i was saying. Of course these children didn’t desrve it. Anymore than the children of Iraq and Libya etc didn’t deserve getting blown to bits in the middle of the night. None of them deserve it. But this narrative, which is being pursued at the moment by wall to wall coverage in the media, that somehow our victims are innocent victims, which of course they are, and the thousands of dead civilians, including many many children slaughtered by the West in the Middle East are collateral damage, is totally and utterly wrong, obscene.
As for your examples, i will see your Lockerbie and raise you Iran air flight 655. Cause and effect Barry, cause and effect. I suggest you do a bit of reading about Lockerbie, without prejudice, and educate yourself.
Of course two wrongs never make a right, but this is the real world.
So you’re now saying the victims aren’t innocent?
Slaughtered by the West? I remember the millions who demo’d against Iraq, I’d like you to and I’ll meet you to stand in Albert Square in Manchester to say that, I’ll sit back and see what happens to that opinion.
If you’re allowed to assume the cause then so am I, its sewn in mosques in this Country, its a religious war or defined as so and the bombings in the Middle East are used as a vehicle by the naïve for these actions, they are also used as vehicles by liberals to attack Middle East policies to further their agendas.
Both opportunistic and both equally as if not more credible than your view.
What nonsense you spout, you clearly have a reading comprehension problem. Which part of," which of course they are" do you not understand? As for the rest of your post, it is unintelligible. Are you seriously stating that the actions of Western governments in slaughtering citizens of the Middle East have no bearing on the situation as it is now? Perhaps you think they should just suck it up, take it like a man when their women and children are blown to bits in the middle of the night. And you call me naive.
Are you soft? You’re assuming that is solely the reason or even the reason.
You don’t think this hatred is grown and harnessed in this Country?
You don’t think its perceived as a war as opposed to solely retaliation?
Jesus wept, I am calling you naïve, totally and utterly.
Why would a British man kill his own people then? We haven’t killed his own Countrymen, what are you suggesting?
That went well
Just sighed loudly in the office having seen that this made no impact.