Eh?
we are talking about what is working class and what isnt - we are debating ways of how that could be classified.
if you are going to start getting all literal, clear off back to your Ukraine thread and annoy Pap and schlong
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Train driver is a working class job now made attractive by collective bargaining, privatisation and kpi’s.
A salary doesn’t make you middle class per se, brickies and plumbers are turning in £80,000-£100,000 or some of them are on big jobs, this is what winds up office boys WHO THINK they should be earning the money, the corona virus and lockdown showed who was really important to the economy.
If you were furloughed or laid off in lockdown, that says all you need to know.
I suppose a distinction should be made between ‘working class’ and ‘from a working class background’. I grew up under the maxim that if you grew up with an outside toilet,(I did), that was the definition of working class. Outside toilets were the norm rather than the exception in my childhood where I grew up, but I suppose that is no longer relevant now. At least I hope not.
It was surprising how much resistance there was to getting rid of outside toilets, many people, including my old man, were horrified at the very idea of it. When the man from the council came round to show my mother and father the plans, the old man was incredulous.
" You mean we will be taking a shit indoors?" “In a room next to the kitchen?” “Never heard of anything so unhygienic”. “Get to fuck!”
Bless him!
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Exactly. However, i don’t think we’re going to rise up in anarchy against the state as a collective social group. Well, not on a weekend anyway when there is a game on and there’s a new Netflix film to watch.
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Prosecco tends the dampen the aggression
Could you be more specific about which war? 
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What did he say to the suggestion that he switch from Izal bog roll to something more absorbent and a little less harsh on the skin?
“Unmedicated?? Are you insane???” 
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It’s difficult to pin it down…we’ve been involved in so many during my lifetime. 
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Izal? We never had luxuries like Izal, it was the Daily Mail, it’s the only thing it’s good for. Some things never change.
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I knew it, a capitalist lackey. 
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Izal tracing paper in the bogs put me off having a shit at school tbh (as a child, thanks @scotty)
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Not sure this belongs on the Labour thread anymore.
An interesting op ed piece from Gordon Brown in today’s Guardian warning Starmer not to abandon his pledge to abolish the House of Lords in the light of the news being leaked regarding Johnson’s resignation honours list. The leaks show that Johnson is planning to gerrymander the upper chamber by flooding it with up to 50 new Conservative peers to ram through contentious legislation after a series of embarrassing defeats by peers. The leaked document Brown has seen ‘legitimises straightforward bribery’ by recommending those who vote loyally be rewarded with special envoy positions, honours and lunches at Chequers. The plan also said new peers would have to give a written undertaking to support the government in key votes on controversial legislation, likely to include the Northern Ireland protocol bill that would unilaterally override the Brexit deal. Surely this would be a step too far, even for Starmer wouldn’t it? Sadly, I wouldn’t bank on it. Ain’t UK democracy wonderful!
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This should be interesting.
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My first thought on reading the headline will surely be shared by many: they have a response??
Edit: 11 days since any post on this thread kind of reinforces the feeling Keir has gone missing, again
Keir gets his numbers wrong. 33bn for his plan to prop up energy companies.
2.85bn to compensate the big five companies’ shareholders and nationalise.
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He’s doing his best Blair impersonation, (albeit not a very good one,) by trying to out-tory the tories. It’s pathetic to witness.
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At this rate, our options for the next but one government are going to be:-
- The Mad Max Style Biker Gang Party
- The Robotic Overlords Party
- The Lizards in Human Form Party
And most will consider that an improvement.
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