This is pretty much how I see it. If the Labour Party can only see a route to power via some imaginary centrist hordes and nationalist posturing then it can crack on. It will fail.
We need a new Socialist party.
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The Thunderdome Work.
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Which is?
Edit:
Sorry question already asked. Not sure I understand the answer though.
And what link is there between those countries? Developing countries with huge populations of underclass and a history of persecution by the upper classes. It doesn’t take much to drive those that can vote, to vote, with an inspirational leader.
The issue is the demographics are not there in this country to effect a revolution like this.
Is there an example from a developed country?
It’s commendable, it’s needed, but it’s also fucking pie in the sky.
Plus, didn’t George Galloway already try it?
Two men enter. One man leaves.
Galloway has tried several times to varying degrees of success, but he’s far too divisive to effectively lead a national effort. He’s also too shouty.
It’s worth remembering that Macron, not on the left, also managed to create a new political entity.
I don’t think it can be anyone connected with the past. Far too much baggage. I’m also not sure that Labour is the appropriate paradigm.
If lockdown proved anything, it’s that not everyone has to work, and not everyone has to go to work. We could take even more off that list by further automating.
Perhaps the alternative is a Leisure Party.
As long as I get to rock a lounge pant and get up at midday.
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Sounds familiar 
, but you’re quite right to caveat that the demographics are different. You could probably also cite differences in voting systems as an issue. Nonetheless, it’s impossible for you to prove that the example can’t be followed and in any case demographics are changing all the time.
I think you could quite reasonably throw the media reach and conduct of the BBC into the equation.
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Labour’s new slogan is “Win the Future”.
Yeah, that’s really the sort of thing you want to spell out, in full. Otherwise people might ask “what the fuck?”
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Increasing (and continuing, tbh) speculation that Labour is close to being financially bankrupt.
A lot of members leaving, and a lot of money is being spent on all the court cases that have arisen through the scorched earth “smear for Keir” campaign.
The Parliamentary party is close to morally bankrupt, so there is a nice symmetry there.
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Where now for Labour? Probably not down this street
Why not? I think he beats most present Labour MPs hands down in speaking plainly.
Not a fanboy of “celebrity” politicians that’s all from my perspective. Good luck to him, probably can’t do much worse that the current bunch.
The only bad one I can think of is Boris Johnson. Glenda Jackson did alright as an MP but did unfortunately give birth to Dan Hodges.
He is straight talking, but he does it from a platform where he is never challenged,
That said he has always been an argumentative sod so he will probably be fine
Is Labour ready for a multimillionaire footballer preaching their cause? Sounds like he might do Labour a bigger favour by donating several large ones instead
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Never challenged? Have you been on Twitter? 
I suspect he’d initially have the same problem most new members do. They don’t know the procedure while others are steeped in it. I don’t think the left wing MPs would have a go at him. He could quite reasonably tell a lot of the right wingers to do one and would get praise for it - despite the millions he’s raked in over his career.
Yet another champagne socialist?
Do we have any politicians in parliament who come from real poverty, or hard up working class. Genuine question as I have no idea.
Alan Johnson…