:trumpdumb: Trumped!

Yes.

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This is nothing to do with US foreign policy…it’s buying approval/votes at home. He has the extreme right-wing, the NRA, the Jewish vote, the tax cuts are just a ploy to win votes. For the extreme egotist it’s all about “approval”…at the expense of their place in the world.

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Only 9 countries sided with America in the vote but 21 weren’t present and some abstained. On the whole a crushing defeat for trumps attempt to bully and bribe his way to getting what he wants.

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This isn’t a parody video sadly. It’s running next week on Fox News and other Trump friendly media outlets. Jamestown Associates are Trump’s personal PR company in effect.

A little bit of me dies every time this thread gets bumped up the list

:lou_sad:

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It does seem ridiculous, but it’s real and effective. Trump won the last election by motivating his base. It’s pure propaganda.

Thank you for supporting Israel?

That’s propaganda, but that’s also American TV. Coming to a tv near you soon(if you pay for any American media product, you are the enablers)

What? the fuck is American TV?

I’m kind of obsessed by current US politics. I

And of course there is the small matter of the tax cuts he is implementing saving himself personally $15 million a year.

Pretty sure that if Trumpy wants to cut aid to countries voting against his Israel bum licking, Russia and China will happily step in to fill the void.

He doesn’t give a fuck who supports it outside of the US.

Interesting times. The US has been accused of being insular in the past. Anyone that has been there will tell you what I am now. It’s easily achieved. The US spans a continent. It is not some island in the North Atlantic, or some constantly contested corner of Europe. Trump will be hoping he can foster that isolation following the arse kicking he got at the UN, on his own soil, in his own city.

In addition to Israel, Trump managed to convince Guatemala (17m), Honduras (10m), Marshall Islands (50k), Micronesia (105k), Nauru (13k), Palau (22k) and Togo (7.6m) to vote No. Big international players. _Tremendous international players. _

As I ponder this archipelago of mostly island nations, I wonder if these waters are safe to swim, or whether I’m going to get my arse bitten off for “antisemitism” if I suggest that this opinion does not represent the great and good of the world, delightful as I’m sure all those places are. Just for clarity, the figures quoted are populations, not sums paid to secure the UN votes.

I think Netanyahu would have looked at the two candidates and concluded that either could have done a job for Israel on the recognition stakes. For all Hillary’s faults, I don’t think she’d have ever made this move. She has a political intelligence that would have instantly calculated the likelihood of this international humiliation. Even if that’s what she wanted, she knew the cost would be too high.

Genuinely think we’re at something of a turning point. I think most nations took a “we’ll see how it goes” approach to Trump on the international stage. We’re now at the “fuck, so that’s how it went” stage. Neither the US nor Israel have ingratiated themselves with their global partners. I’ve a feeling this particular period is going to be a lot of chapters in many history books covering the period.

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Problem is Pap, for Trump international humiliation is a rallying cry for his own supporters, an almost North Korean style imagimation… it would not surprise me if we hear that The USA won next years World Cup in Russia…

His own supporters don’t matter if the Democrats can muster some kind of credible candidate, but I seriously worry about whether that’s something they’re ever going to be able to do. For the record, I think Sanders had flaws, but by jiminy was his heart in the right place. The Democratic National Committee destroyed him; the consequent leaks helped destroy Hillary’s chances of winning.

US politics are not our politics. There are people that think that socialism is a good thing, but the US has no real historical knowledge of the concept. The closest they ever came was arguably The New Deal, the state-mandated programme of works which aimed to mitigate the worst aspects of the depression.

It’s not just that the Dems haven’t even got to the fractious nature of “Corbyn 2015”. I’m not sure the soil is there to grow the required candidate, which is why the Americans end up with the Hobson’s choice of Hillary or Donald, and why America will never have an Attlee.

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Upvote for using the phrase “by Jiminy” :smile:

“US politics isn’t our politics” … It kind of really is though, and will affect you and your children in the future. There’s a connection between Trump, the rise of extreme right-wing ideology across Europe, certainly Eastern Europe. Changes in constitutions, takeovers of TV companies. France was the exception, only because they have the most sensible electoral process, It’s an assault on democracy and quite deliberate and calculated. Connect the dots with Russia, Trump campaign, Ukip, tax havens, billionaire donors

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-09/what-s-next-for-robert-mercer-steve-bannon-s-moneyman

Maybe had a bit of “work” and some chemical peels that haven’t helped reverse the aging process? Maybe add some not being able to sleep at nights in the mix. Interesting history.

In a good natured way befitting the season of goodwill to all men, I have to say that I’m failing to see your points. China is going to have a greater effect on our kids and their futures. No-one is suggesting that they model our political system just because they hold sway over our lives.

I’m also sat chuckling at your attempts to paint Russia as moustache twirling villains in the present context. In the past year, we’ve seen a 1m bounty offered by the Israeli embassy for resignation-worthy material on Alan Duncan, conspire to disguise the intent and purpose of all the British pro-Israel groups, Theresa May’s government adopt the IHRA standard on what constitutes antisemitism, the banning of any commercial boycott by municipal authorities, Priti Patel conspiring to redirect International Development Funds to the IDF in the occupied Golan heights and the proposed move of the US Embassy to Jerusalem, accompanied by threats at the United Nations to anyone not rubberstamping their act of international larceny.

Everything I’ve just wrote has solid evidence behind it. As far as I am aware, all efforts to find conclusive proof of transformative Russian influence has ended in considerable mockery for those making the claims.

Given all that, and given your clear concern about foreign manipulation in domestic democratic processes, you could find worthier subjects of study. It does mean putting your balls on the line, but in my humble opinion, that’s better than sitting around scratching them while you pretend that black is white, evidence is immaterial and some hastily put together narrative that makes Red Dawn look like a serious documentary account of an actual war.

So stupid and therefore dangerous.