:trumpdumb: Trumped!

I fail to see that this was a different thing, except in the attitude of the police to the protesters’ cause. Here is a reminder of the response back then
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/07/us/police-response-black-lives-matter-protest-us-capitol/index.html

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Maybe because the left has historically distrusted the police especially BLM and the right see themselves as justice and order ie conservative?

They are there to protect the people in the building, so how does pulling back help improve their safety? I think we all know what the response would have been if this had been a BLM demonstration.

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Quite possibly but its a situational thing not a what side is who thing, police withdraw all the time.

Have any police died whilst responding BLM demonstrations?

My point in all of this is you’re all falling for it, a decision before proof, Trump did it and is doing it and sold it two his followers, are you saying the police are in collusion with Trump and his followers?

Fine, prove it.

I’m saying that there was a completely different response so, as they say over there, you do the math. It wasn’t as if a march on the building wasn’t expected, so where was the back up?

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From the BBC… the line in Bold is frightening/odd

The political fallout continues as another member of Trump’s team resigns. Special envoy to Northern Ireland Mick Mulvaney announced on Thursday that he’s resigning from his position, according to CNBC. Once one of Trump’s closest advisers, Mulvaney was White House chief of staff from January 2019 to March 2020.

“I called [Secretary of State] Mike Pompeo last night to let him know I was resigning from that. I can’t do it. I can’t stay,” he told CNBC.

“Those who choose to stay, and I have talked with some of them, are choosing to stay because they’re worried the president might put someone worse in,” he said.

Mulvaney joins a list of officials who have stepped down in reaction to the assault including; Deputy Press Secretary Sarah Matthews, the chief of staff of First Lady Melania Trump, Stephanie Grisham, White House Social Secretary Rickie Niceta, and Deputy National Security Advisor Matt Pottinger.

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No math required, common sense has told me lots were going to go there and cause trouble, maybe the police didn’t, did Trump stoke it? Yes I’d say he did, did the police fall back for safety? Yes common sense would tell me that.

Common sense, I’ll repeat common sense tells me this, collusion? You make that accuastion without proof you’re no better than the bellends marching about a stolen election as you’re doing the same thing.

Two sides of a same coin.

I’m gonna wait for a bit more evidence.
IF reserves were held back then people should be jailed.
IF the normal day to day Cops/Secret Service were only ones on site then unless they started mowing the protestors down there wouldn’t be much 30 or 40 cops could have done.
I would imagine there were protocols in place hence why that 1 got shot trying to get in the Chamber.
Doubt the Anti-Trumps will cover that up.

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Fell back, and in some cases, took selfies with the protesters

To what ends?

To diffuse a situation?
Coercion?
Agreed with them?

That means little, nothing in fact if there’s no official or unofficial collective collusion, you’re simply finding something that agrees with your sentiments, I don’t agree with the protesters at all but I don’t agree because of a selfie etc etc that there was widespread collusion.

Its that shite that got us here from both sides.

‘Disgusting’ footage appears to show police officer ‘taking selfie’ with rioter inside the Capitol (msn.com)

This is where I think the selfies thing comes from. The protestors are already in the building - there is a lot of police around - it looks like it had already de-escalated somewhat by the time that happened.

I suspect there was a decent period of time between the police falling back and that happening.

I guess if it helps placate and de-escalate, then no real harm done

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Come on Barry you’re playing at fuckwittery again. You’re asking every for proof, but conveniently not offering anything yourself. Same old, same old :zzz:

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I don’t have to offer proof as I am not accusing.

To anyone who reads this from outside who has any reasonable intellect and is balanced will I believe side with my argument.

The reason is as its fucking obvious.

Doesn’t common sense tell you that there is clearly going to be trouble at this event therefore you arrange to have back up standing by?

What’s your argument apart from your usual taking the position to try and wind up as many people as you can? Hence the lack of interest in your fishing expedition in recent posts on the HK situation :man_facepalming::joy:

Possibly but how does an operational decision mean collusion?

How do you come to that conclusion?

The whole police force are republican Trump voters who support these protesters?

Reaching and some, also without any proof, you don’t work in law do you?

Hong Kong? I am as sad as I have been correct on that, look at is what is happening there.

Different discussion, stop diluting converation.

I’m not Barry.