:tories: Tories in trouble?

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Many of us had to travel for school and college. I was somewhat weird in that I lived on the same road as my secondary school for a bit, but faced travel thereafter for college.

In many ways, I think this is a problem of Hampshire’s own long term making. It wouldn’t happen in Liverpool, because there isn’t as much separation between school and sixth form. Most kids start secondary up here at eleven and can stay in the same place until they’re eighteen. In Southampton at least, and Hampshire may be the same, they had a system where you did four years in a first, four years in a middle, four years at a secondary, then two at college - with very few schools with their own sixth forms.

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They took our job! Loving the use of the word “trouble” there. I’m assuming the Tories are keen Sotonians lurkers :lou_lol:

Theresa May has been warned by sacked ministers that she must promote them back into Government within a year or face “trouble” in Parliament

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Anyone who considers Nicky Morgan to be a huge talent is clearly a fucking idiot and that alone brings the whole (advertorial) piece into disrepute.

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Labour politicians taking a tour of Salford’s homelessness. Bollocks to the correlation doesn’t imply causation bit. This is Tory Britain.

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shouldn’t that be in Labour In Trouble? You don’t get those sort of problems in Tory Run Council. In Tory Run Council any jobseeker layabout trying to sleep rough would be dealt with quick + brutal.

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You probably wouldn’t see that much homelessness in a Tory run or marginal council. There’s a discretionary system whereby individual councils can get top up payments from central governments. Guess who’s benefiting from the discretion?

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Is it the Homeless?

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Originally posted by @Bearsy

Is it the Homeless?

Incorrect answer.

It’ll be Tory-run and marginal councils.

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What is needed is an independent inquiry into why these people are homeless, and then you can deal with the reasons.

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No we don’t. The reasons are fucking obvious.

Under 25s can’t get housing benefit at all, because the Tories live in a universe where they’re all living in idyllic and spacious parental mansions. The reality is that there is little help for anyone with a bad family situation, and in many cases, no choice but to live on the streets.

We don’t look after our ex-servicemen. Too many of them are on the streets because they’ve never been given proper treatment or access to resources.

Bedroom tax and benefit caps are driving people into debt. The benefit cap has made people homeless and kicked off a process of social cleansing in London, now arriving in some of the places where it’s actually cheapest to rent.

Why do you need a public inquiry to realise that?

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So does that account for 100% of the homelessness? I’d be interested to know the breakdown so we can concentrate on the areas that need fixing first.

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You don’t need that breakdown. You just need to know where people are sleeping rough to fix the problem.

Once again, scrambling for any reason whatsoever to put the blinkers on. What a boring world you must see.

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Originally posted by @pap

Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint

Originally posted by @pap

Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint

Originally posted by @pap

Labour politicians taking a tour of Salford’s homelessness. Bollocks to the correlation doesn’t imply causation bit. This is Tory Britain.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/salfords-mayor-didnt-believe-homeless-12168778?service=responsive#ICID=sharebar_facebook

What is needed is an independent inquiry into why these people are homeless, and then you can deal with the reasons.

No we don’t. The reasons are fucking obvious.

Under 25s can’t get housing benefit at all, because the Tories live in a universe where they’re all living in idyllic and spacious parental mansions. The reality is that there is little help for anyone with a bad family situation, and in many cases, no choice but to live on the streets.

We don’t look after our ex-servicemen. Too many of them are on the streets because they’ve never been given proper treatment or access to resources.

Bedroom tax and benefit caps are driving people into debt. The benefit cap has made people homeless and kicked off a process of social cleansing in London, now arriving in some of the places where it’s actually cheapest to rent.

Why do you need a public inquiry to realise that?

So does that account for 100% of the homelessness? I’d be interested to know the breakdown so we can concentrate on the areas that need fixing first.

You don’t need that breakdown. You just need to know where people are sleeping rough to fix the problem.

That seems well thought out, reactive not pro-active. I’ve always been told to solve a problem you need to identify why the problem exists.

Seems like a ‘New Old Labour’ policy if ever I’ve heard one.

Once again, scrambling for any reason whatsoever to put the blinkers on. What a boring world you must see.

What blinkers? What am I not seeing here? I haven’t denied that some of the homeless issues are due to the reasons above, have I?

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Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint

That seems well thought out, reactive not pro-active. I’ve always been told to solve a problem you need to identify why the problem exists.

Fuck me, I thought I was on Sotonians, not a business meeting where wankers say stuff like that.

The problem exists because these people cannot afford to rent or buy a home, and many of them get no government help to do so. The solution is to increase short-term help and build more homes.

Seems like a ‘New Old Labour’ policy if ever I’ve heard one.

As opposed to your idea? Doing fuck all while you wait for a report to exonerate you of your indifference. It’s winter, and there are people on the streets as a direct result of Tory policy.

If we applied your stance to say, the medical profession, you’re suggesting we don’t do triage until we find the full diagnosis, even though there triage will help you to determine that. It’s an utter cop out.

What blinkers? What am I not seeing here? I haven’t denied that some of the homeless issues are due to the reasons above, have I?

The stuff that allows you to look the other way.

Sorry mate, if the CSA inquiry is anything to go by, we can’t afford the time. People will sleep rough tonight. Some of them will doubtless die over the winter.

Should we really wait for the result of a never-to-be-completed inquiry when people face immediate problems and immediate answers are staring us in the face?

Is the crutch for partisan Tory indifference that valuable?

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And again, where have I said I wouldn’t put short term measures in place?

Making stuff up and putting the onus on me because you can’t, yet again, provide any statistics to backup your points. If you can show me where I have said any of the above in your usual bullshit straw man arguments then I will backtrack.

Until then you just seem to be getting very complacent recently, and tying yourself up in knots that you don’t know how to get out of.

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Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint

And again, where have I said I wouldn’t put short term measures in place?

Making stuff up and putting the onus on me because you can’t, yet again, provide any statistics to backup your points. If you can show me where I have said any of the above in your usual bullshit straw man arguments then I will backtrack.

Until then you just seem to be getting very complacent recently, and tying yourself up in knots that you don’t know how to get out of.

You’re a confused boy, Cherts.

Not one of your posts mentions short term help at all before I bring it up. You wanted a public inquiry so you understand the issue before you bother to care about it. They take years, and the problems are immediate.

If you want to pretend you had short term solutions in your head, entertain that fantasy. Would have been more convincing if you’d mentioned that first, though.

Perhaps we can start a 10 year public inquiry on it.

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Utter rubbish. My first post was this:

“What is needed is an independent inquiry into why these people are homeless, and then you can deal with the reasons.”

No mention either way, as I wasn’t discussing the short term issues, I was discussing the long term plan. You then replied saying that we didn’t need one, as you know why they’re on the street. There was no mention of short term measures then.

But that’s fine, keep making stuff up, it fits with your arguments of all fart and no shit. By the way, why do you keep on mentioning a public inquiry? I said independent.

I’m future, I’ll make sure I mention everything I would and wouldn’t do, as I wouldn’t want you making incorrect assumptions, AGAIN.

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In your first post, you decided to kick the problem into the long grass.

I reckon you need to stop skim-reading. Or just start reading.

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I was just saying we need a long term solution. No mention of short, or indeed mid-term (I’m making the assumption you don’t think we need a mid-term solution as you haven’t mentioned one). You need to stop projecting what people mean when reading their posts, and just take posts at face value.

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i believe in u cherts & ur determination to fix homeless problem, and ur suggestion of inquiry needed to understand problem is backed up cos when pap tried to shut you down that reasons are “obvious”, he don’t even mention the #1 problem.

Full disclosure, and it is bit embarass, but I was 6 month sleep rough when I was 19 cos of Reasons That I’d Rather Not Go Into srs. It’s fkn cold out there srs.