:tories: Tories in trouble?

maybe you’ve underestimated the extent of corruption in other countries?

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Depends on how we are judging it.

If 1% of officials were corrupt in the US, on amounts involved it would beat the Isle of Wight even if 95% were corrupt there.

So if we intend to introduce a corruption World Cup or league table, we really need to establish a format that reflects fairly and rewards all those dedicated to hardcore corruption.

There may be some very small countries around the world who are pioneering 100% corruption but at a small level.

How will we decide who hosts this corruption World Cup?

So, after receiving a beautifully worded limerick from Pap, and after a couple of weeks of incredibly busy time, my self imposed hiatus is over. I’m sure not many of you will care, but thought it best to introduce why I’m back.

The last few weeks…

Elections:
Not great, not disastrous for either party. Considering the Tories have been a fucking basketcase in the last year, Corbyn could have missed his one and only chance to properly de-stabilise the Tory vote (this is on the assumption that the Tories cannot be as incompetent as they have in the last 18 months, which is one hell of an assumption). If Labour want to make a dent at the next election, then either Corbyn needs to change or they need a new leader. He cannot be that ineffective going forwards.

London Mayor:
Honestly, don’t think it matters, they will probably do similar jobs. Goldsmith actually came across as more of a twat than he actually is (yes he’s a rich boy blah blah), but he’s actually alright. Shame, but he went after an issue that’s idiotic.

Junior Doctors:
Glad to hear they’re back around the table but can’t see any agreement forthcoming if the Doctor’s/BMA expect the Government to renege on their ‘revamp’ of the NHS. I hope for the BMA’s/Junior Doctors sake they don’t just compromise on the Saturday pay issue and agree the contract…

“Fantastically corrupt…”
Yeah, they are, no issue here. Funny how this was sensationalised by the ‘Tory’ BBC, I thought they’d try to bury this news.

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Welcome back Cherts!

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Yeah, welcome back Shirty Saint.

Glad to see you posting again as OFTWAT had been in touch to tell pap and me that our Shy Tory and Cunt levels had dropped in your absence.

We nearly lost our political balance for a while there.

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Just been reading this

may/12/conservatives-court-campaign-spending-details-electoral-commission

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Originally posted by @Intiniki

Just been reading this

may/12/conservatives-court-campaign-spending-details-electoral-commission

Which has been rumbling around the social networks for about a week. Oddly enough, it didnt come up on mainstream news prior to the elections.

It’s pretty clear what’s going on. The loose confederation of establishment pillars are tightening up. Fuck knows how much the Tories have been able to intimidate the Beeb with the Charter renewal, but we know they’re not above strategic timetabling for the Tories’ benefit.

Not a great stat for the government to absorb.

Twice as many homeless people via evictions by private landlords since Dave took over. I reckon the fact that under 25s can’t get housing benefit might weigh into both this and the wider problem of homelessness.

I like Cherts’ style. He falls out with us, but he comes back, ready to give it all another go.

I’ve seen more extreme reactions, put it that way.

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I like Cherts too. True, I’ve never met him, and he’s a self-confessed Tory, but I like him nonetheless. Let’s face it, he could be a complete and utter arsehole, like Dibden Purlieu Saint or Unbelievable Jeff.

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and this:

One third of funding to domestic and sexual violence services was cut by the Tories between 2010 and 2012. The result of this was one in three women being turned away from refuges in 2014.

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Those two are utter pricks.

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Originally posted by @Intiniki

and this:

One third of funding to domestic and sexual violence services was cut by the Tories between 2010 and 2012. The result of this was one in three women being turned away from refuges in 2014.

I’m feeling like a depressingly accurate Nostradamus when it comes to the general direction of travel, but I can’t take the credit. Chomsky said it much more eloquently than I ever could (KRG : reminder pls!).

Everyone knows my rep. I trust these cunts and this system about as far as I can throw them, and I’m a noodle-armed choirboy (props: Groundskeeper Willie). But I do wonder, aluminium hat on, if these bastards aren’t deliberately trying to kill people, and if left-winger-me can conceive such a notion, does anyone think that outcome might escape the more right-wing thinkers of our age?

I speak not of the fine Tories on here, of course, but you hear the stories of these elite drinking clubs, and their raucous songs such as “kill the poor”, and you can’t help wondering if these rich boys that now run our country ever sobered up.

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Corruption?

You dont know the meaning of the word corruption untill you have lived in an Asian country.

Every facet of life is corrupt

From getting access to a bed in a maternity hospital at birth to getting a plot of land for a grave when it is all over.

and everything in between.

To get the electricity / water meters read correctly so you dont have to pay excess on the bill then claim the money back to who to vote for

A few peso’s goes a long way if you want a quiet life

Don’t vote because the government will get in.

We may have a new President Duterte who has got in on the law and order certificate but and it’s a big but he may be as corrupt as the rest of them we dont know yet it’s wait and see time.

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This young lefty vocalises some feelings in the provocatively titled “Dear Tory voter. I can call you a cunt if I want”.

Harsh?

http://www.thestepfordstudent.co.uk/dear-tory-voter-i-can-call-you-a-cunt-if-i-want/

It’s harsh if you take it heart, but I don’t think many people will. The issue is in an idealistic world her opinions are right. I don’t think that many Tory voters would disagree.

However, this is not the world we live in, and it’s why when I see people like this I think ‘bless’. She’ll wake up and smell the roses some day, but until then she just seems very naive and unrealistic. This is why I see her current opinion as pretty worthless, and therefore why I don’t take offence.

Another point on this. If she’s saying that by voting Conservative we are also voting for all policies, then I would just go back and say that anyone who voted for Labour in 1997 onwards are genocidal monsters. Personally, I’d prefer to be a cunt than someone who would happily vote for thousands of innocent people to die.

If you’re talking about the Iraq War, it wasn’t on the table in either 1997 or 2001. Didn’t start until 2003, so the first election people would have been able to express an opinion was in 2005, in which Labour lost a lot of seats.

You’re also forgetting the fact that the Tories voted for the war.

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1997, 2005, it’s all the same shit.

It’s irrelevant that the Tories also voted for it, they weren’t in power, and they didn’t take us to war.

The point is that you cannot point to people voting for a party and say that they voted for all those policies. If so, no-one would vote as not many people believe in every policy put forward by a party.

Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint

1997, 2005, it’s all the same shit.

It’s irrelevant that the Tories also voted for it, they weren’t in power, and they didn’t take us to war.

The point is that you cannot point to people voting for a party and say that they voted for all those policies. If so, no-one would vote as not many people believe in every policy put forward by a party.

I find it interesting that you would dismiss the “Dear Tory voter” on the basis of her inexperience, especially when it is backed up by points like this, which let’s face it, anyone with an understanding of linear time (and recollection of it) would destroy.

Appreciate the swing at the emotive argument, but it’s a miss by around six years. Moreover, the people you’re having a go at for presciently faciliating a war they must have known about in 1997 (it’s all the same shit) are the same people that demo’ed against it and left the Labour Party because of it.

If you’d posted these as comments on the end of the blog post you were wise enough to dismiss, you’d probably be getting eviscerated by the naive young girl with zero political experience.

We know the Tories would have taken us into Iraq because they voted for it, and since assuming power have tried to get us into more foreign entanglements. Let’s not pretend the Tories are doves.

Finally, I do take a bit of your point concerning 2010. You can’t really blame voters for picking the Tories then. No-one knew what they were about at the time. By 2015 though, it was fairly clear what their plans were, how they intended to go about them, and the sort of social damage that would cause. We had already seen the rise of food banks, a rise in the number of suicides, cuts to vital services, all for seemingly nothing. Economic targets missed again and again, with the country in more debt than ever.

I personally think “cunt” is too strong a term to apply to all. Some people are just ill-educated on political matters, and anyone that has been on social media should now have an inkling how easy people are to propagandise.

However, most people have a breaking point, something that no matter what else an organisation or party might be doing. I consistently cite Greece as my breaking point with the EU. From the perspective of millions of people, many of those breaking points had already occurred prior to 2015. You can easily see how someone goes from “I can’t vote for these cunts” to “Who is voting for these cunts?” and concluding “Cunts”.