:tories: Tories in trouble?

You think Cameron is right wing? Pahahahaha, no he is not his party is, he is centrist and so is Blair, the fact that Blair ripped up Clause IV and forgot the roots of his party so it would appeal to the centre ground not only makes him ruthless but also a bastard.

Cameron is in the exactly the same mould as Miliband and Clegg, Europhiles who worship at the altar of free trade.

I don’t think any of us deny that junior doctors work hard and are underpaid, but my position is the following:

There are 15 of 16 points that have been agreed. The one that hasn’t been agreed is about weekend (or specifically Saturday) pay. That the BMA is presenting the strikes as a patient safety to build public support is as bad as Jeremy Hunt lying.

Frankly, I think both parties are as bad as each other…

From Scousespirational.

PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT

The NHS has been replaced with the following list of advice:

  • Cancer: sellotape a cannabis cigarette to the site of the tumour. When cancer is in remission, turn yourself in to the nearest policeman.

  • Mental health issues: cheer up, softarse.

  • Drugs, alcohol and other addictions: man up, Nancy.

  • Physical injuries such as concussion and broken bones: have your butler fetch your private physician post-haste.

  • Obesity and heart disease: put down the Quavers, fatty, and take up rugger or Polo.

  • Diabetes: it’s a punishment for something you did in a past life, so you deserve it.

  • Learning difficulties: you don’t need to be able to read or write. You can rely on your government to tell you exactly what you need to know about everything.

  • Sexual health and birth control: we need fewer of you lot. Every time you get the urge, try to think of your nan in suspenders.

  • Disabilities such as having no arms or legs: have a friend build you a cart so you can trundle about the streets singing songs, adding character to our nation as you jangle your change tin at passersby.

Pap, your assumption is that I am using this to form my opinion. It’s more the other way round, I have formed my opinion and this article backs it up.

Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint

Pap, your assumption is that I am using this to form my opinion. It’s more the other way round, I have formed my opinion and this article backs it up.

So confirmation bias, then?

As an aside, to those looking at this as an attempt to privatise the NHS fully - that will never happen. It’s political suicide and if it happened the Conservative party will be no more.

I am going to have to agree with Barry here, Cameron is of a centrist persuasion ( I wouldn’t say he’s more left than Blair, but still) but as with most PM’s now and going forward, they are puppets for those who fund the party.

Originally posted by @pap

Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint

Pap, your assumption is that I am using this to form my opinion. It’s more the other way round, I have formed my opinion and this article backs it up.

So confirmation bias, then?

To a degree, as would be anything that you post that you agree with.

Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint

To a degree, as would be anything that you post that you agree with.

Well, I disagree with that for a start. Most of the things I tend to post on are things I’ve been talking about or researching for years. I honestly don’t believe that either of us are experts on the junior doctors thing.

As far as this right wing think tank aligning perfectly with your pre-established views, would you like to tell us how you arrived at those views prior to reading the article in question? Were you a bit gutted that someone else presumably got paid for putting your exact thoughts in that article?

Jeremy Hunt doing a top job…

More than 300 doctors applied to work abroad on the day Jeremy Hunt announcedhe was forcing through new contracts.

The General Medical Council received 301 applications in the hours after the Health Secretary’s announcement on Thursday affecting junior doctors.

Thousands are set to quit the NHS in protest over plans to shake up hours.

Since he announced the changes, more than 6,000 requests have been made for the paperwork needed to practise medicine outside the UK.

As I said above, I arrived at many of those conclusions when I read through the initial BMA mandate for strike. I also never said I agree with everything in that article, more that it backs up the above assertion. What’s wrong with that?

Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint

As I said above, I arrived at many of those conclusions when I read through the initial BMA mandate for strike. I also never said I agree with everything in that article, more that it backs up the above assertion. What’s wrong with that?

Well, we’re down from complete agreement. That’s one thing. On a different day, I’d pursue you into this rabbithole teeth bared. Today, I really can’t be arsed.

If you do share opinions with that article, then what do you have to say to the critique of it?

Ah, the necessary scintilla of lethagy that frees left wingers from any further consideration of the issues. :lou_wink:

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Nope. Just want to avoid a situation where Cherts and I spend the day calling each other liars, making both us and the site worse for it.

Pleased to see that landed, tho :lou_wink_2:

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If you can’t discuss it nicely and agree to disagree then I think you should wrestle.

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Ah jolly good. Taxpayer money to be spent on this bollocks.

Local councils, public bodies and even some university student unions are to be banned by law from boycotting ā€œunethicalā€ companies, as part of a controversial crackdown being announced by the Government.

Under the plan all publicly funded institutions will lose the freedom to refuse to buy goods and services from companies involved in the arms trade, fossil fuels, tobacco products or Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank.

Any public bodies that continue to pursue boycotts will face ā€œsevere penaltiesā€, ministers said.

This sums it up for me:-

A spokesman for the Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said: ā€œThe Government’s decision to ban councils and other public bodies from divesting from trade or investments they regard as unethical is an attack on local democracy.

ā€œPeople have the right to elect local representatives able to make decisions free of central government political control. That includes withdrawal of investments or procurement on ethical and human rights grounds.

Obviously a lie. As if anyone in Portsmouth is educated beyond GCSE level :lou_sunglasses:

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Well if he is as educated as she claims, it certainly hasnt been to watch the local football team.

I bought my house from an anesthestist, I can only assume he worked every hour God sent and the house was a right kip, in truth he didn’t work every weekend.

Bollocks to what others do the more I see this and read about it its solely about overtime payments on weekends and everything else is a heartfelt emotional blackmail, fuck that as a man of the people if someone is expected to be in a petrol station for now more money on weekends then why should we pity a junior doctor? We are all society.

Junior doctors now have got to work in petrol stations??

Honestly, this government, whatever next!