Oh yeah. @Goatboy was positively distraught when he went
I wasnât bothered about him going either, apart from thinking he really should have had a plan in place before calling the referendum in the event of it going the way it did. Iâm just saying that itâs not as if he was ousted by unpopularity like the others you mentioned.
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Pig fucker.
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They never ever thought they would lose.
Project Fear II.
They thought itâd be better than the Scotland-based original. Turns out people arenât as scared south of the border.
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I didnât have high expectations for the standard of reasoned debate by Sunak and Truss but itâs a sad reflection of the state of the Tory party that this has already sunk to a question of putting forward completely uncosted, ill-considered ideas (that they have no intention of implementing, and no idea of how they could) purely on the basis of garnering the votes of the elite 160,000 grey-rinsed Southerners.
Power is everything. Stuff responsibility.
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Donât all the parties do this every five years or so?
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Yes.
Labour, yes, to a degree. But the Tories are taking it to surreal levels.
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Apparently the Mail and Express ore outsourcing their toilet facilities. They can no longer handle the amount of shit theyâre producing.
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But not the Libs??
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Absolutely not. 
I know youâre a Lib, so hereâs my take on what the party should have done in their brief time in power. It was pretty evident from the start that they were being lined up as political shields and cover for Conservative policies. They should have walked the minute they had to renege on any of their pre-election pledges.
Much less long term damage would have been done to the party, and arguably the country, if theyâd bustled out of the government on a point of principle. Instead, the Tories stitched them up so well that it created the 2015 majority.
Some reports suggest that Cameron was banking on another coalition with the Lib Dems to swerve the EU referendum.
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I actually agree with you totally. Especially that lady paragraph. Cameron was devastated when he had a majority and couldnât boane the LibDems for blocking a referendum.
But it was his own fault. He rubbished the LibDems far too effectively
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To be fair, that wasnât much of a challenge.
They had to drop a lot of their manifesto to cut a deal with the tories, thatâs hardly surprising as the junior member of the coalition. But Clegg did achieve one major aim, the referendum on voting reform (albeit greatly watered down from what heâd have wished.) He deserves some credit for that, and I imagine he would have viewed it as a worthwhile trade for dropping the LibDems stance on scrapping tuition fees, etc.
Oooh. Soooo bitchy.
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On the student tuition fees they were bang to rights. They said before the election that they would vote against any rise in tuition fees. A hung Parliament was not out of the question at the time - so they knew they might be part of the government.
Their excuse? The pledge only applied if they formed a majority government.
As if. Theyâd very successfully made themselves the party on principles before that point. After that point, the Tories could stitch them up whenever. Trust was gone.
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Perhaps they considered the AV vote more important than the tuition fees one.
They were royally shafted on that too.
They wanted PR, got AV and because AV is only a bit better than FPTP, the Tories were able to create a narrative where soldiers would die and infant incubators would be switched off if the money spent on implementing AV was lost.
Interesting referendum. I think itâs the only one weâve done UK-wide that wasnât advisory. The Lib Dems managed to give it legally binding status, but couldnât get it over the line.
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