Not impressed with the Tories going back on fracking in national parks. Becoming very, very difficult to defend them nowadays.
Dude, you don’t have to. I’m a traditional Labour supporter from a family that has historically voted Labour in elections. There’s tons of legislation that New Labour put into place, especially on civil liberties and the short-cutting of what used to be due process, that I cannot support, and can only really attack. So I attacked it (ad nauseum, some might say ). PFI was another really shit idea for the long-term.
When I couldn’t support them, I didn’t. The reason I left the party last time was because I thought they had their fingers in their ears over too many things. Pretty fucking healthy to no longer support a party if their conduct doesn’t merit it.
You’ll have to be fucking careful walking this rebellious road, Cherts; some people might get the wrong idea and accuse you of having “principles”
I think I’ll be going Lib Dem at the next election. I like Farron, and the pure, and I don’t want to use this word but will, ‘meanness’ of the current incumbent is doing my nut.
I have always voted because I think it’s essential to do so. But if the election was in the next 6 months I would be very likely be ticking “none of the above”.
I moved to the none of the above stance a while back, I’ve seen nothing since the election to make me want to release any party on sorting our future - but I have seen loads that is troubling.
If “None of the above” was an actual, actionable choice in a vote, then I think you chaps would have a point. The option doesn’t exist at present, so what you’re talking about effectively amounts to apathy, or not having a voice.
I’ve never really voted tactically myself. I’ve never really had the option of voting for someone that I completely agree with. We rarely do. The last thirty years have really been about plundering the state and the wealth of the public on behalf of the private sector. We really can’t be doing with more of the same. The pendulum needs to swing the other way; we’ve got a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to do it.
I’m all for bringing key industries back into nationalised, democratic control. I know that the older fellas will say “but pap, the last time the left were in power we couldn’t bury our dead, etc” but then I hear those same fellas say that in the 1970s, they could walk out of one job on a Friday and into another on Monday. Living standards and social mobility were far greater, and what have we got thirty years later?
Higher bills, private monopolies, above inflation train fare rises, seeing our bright kids being used as a financial fucking resource instead of being given all the support they need to succeed, help themselves and this country. You can still do the walk out of one job on Friday and start another on the Monday, but not in the sense that the 70s workforce could; it’s usually planned in advance around some unreasonable notice periods. It’s shite; the priorities of the country need a massive fucking shift, and there is only one party I’ll be voting for in the next election. Fuck, I may even campaign for them too.
You’re talking about the 70’s as if it is some sort of utopia we should aspire to re-create. Now, I didn’t live through the 70’s, but from those in my life that did (it’s a conversation I have had a lot due to my tendancy towards 70’s Prog Rock) – I think the phrase “Thank your lucky stars” is most often used. My parents thought it was so sh!t they emigrated to Canada, and then returned in the mid 80’s once I had been born and the country wasn’t as sh!t.
I’m all for looking at different ways to improve the country – and we sold off some of the family gold (Energy companies for one). But at the same time, we sold off some industries that we just couldn’t run economically, or well (the British car industry!).
See, now I think she’s a moron, but from listening to that, that’s absolutely nothing in my opinion! That sounds like someone who wouldn’t have lasted as long as that in any jobs I’ve had.
See, now I think she’s a moron, but from listening to that, that’s absolutely nothing in my opinion! That sounds like someone who wouldn’t have lasted as long as that in any jobs I’ve had.
Fuck that shit, some people just need to man the fuck up imho. If that’s the worst she got, she should work in a place where the boss is ACTUALLY nasty to her.
Fuck that shit, some people just need to man the fuck up.
There are loads of ways that she could have dealt with this matter professionally, quietly, and with some degree of dignity for both parties.
What we actually saw was harrassment. A load of answerphone messages, all fairly offensive in their own right. The telephone call, in which the MP for Telford was goading her employee, and mocking her with a child’s voice.
What the fuck is wrong with :-
a) sorting out temporary cover
b) either a letter or a formal verbal warning
?
That was neither. It was an idiotic bully unwittingly fucking herself up.
Without the full back story, I don’t think we can make that judgement. Had she been warned before? The phonecall alluded to the fact she had. We just don’t know. However, all that phonecall shows is she’s a bit of a bitch, as if that’s an issue to her doing her job? And we already knew that.
If that honestly alludes to bullying, I’ve never worked for a ‘non’ bully.
Without the full back story, I don’t think we can make that judgement. Had she been warned before? The phonecall alluded to the fact she had. We just don’t know. However, all that phonecall shows is she’s a bit of a bitch, as if that’s an issue to her doing her job? And we already knew that.
If that honestly alludes to bullying, I’ve never worked for a ‘non’ bully.
Cherts, is your argument basically:
“I’ve had shitty bosses, so others shouldn’t complain about theirs?”
I dunno, I’ve been at the company I work at nearly 4 years. I’ve moved around a lot internally and worked on a few different games. I’ve never come across a single person that would speak to someone like that. They’d be out on their arse pretty quick.
Likewise, in all my other jobs (granted, that isn’t a huge amount) I’ve never been spoken to like that and would take serious issues with someone speaking to me in that manner.
To me, the fact she recorded the conversation says she expected this. There’s also someone else saying they also received similar from her. There’s no chance that is an acceptable way to treat your employees, even if they are troublesome.
I think this is the opposite of our ‘sexism’ conversations, where I don’t see it and you do, and vice versa.
In the past 2 companies I’ve worked for I’ve certainly been spoken to, and heard scores of other people been talked to like this. I’ve seen people pulled into an office after a week, chewed out and sacked, leaving in tears. A lot of managers I have worked for and with are like that. However, I wouldn’t call it bullying myself. I’d call it ‘ruling with an iron fist’, or as we call our Logistics director, ‘fucking megabitch’. And our Logistics director got there by creating an atmosphere of fear. Maybe more traditional, old school companies are like this?
She should be sacked, or should certainly resign, but I see this more as an irrelevant story (similar to the stupid stories the right wing press have put out against Labour since Corbyn came along).
Yeah, that’s not normal. I’ve had two or three bad managers, but I’d never be spoken to like that. I think the other thing that you need to consider is the intent of the talk. Was it in any way constructive? Was she trying to resolve the situation? Nope. She was just phoning up to have a go and attempt to assert her superiority.
She should go, but as a Labour supporter, there’s a lot of value in her staying. She’s helping to re-toxify the Conservatives.
That’s not normal ‘in your experience’, I’ll think you’ll find! I have only ever worked for massive companies, (as has my other half) but have heard and seen far worse in each one. As said, these aren’t new age, progressive companies, but it has been normal for me since I have been working (all ten years of my professional life).
She’s a bitch, fo sho. Bully, maybe. That phonecall only proves the first one to me though.
The last time I was spoken to in this fashion by an employer I told her she could stick her job up her arse and she was lucky she was a woman otherwise I’d be taking her outside to sort it out.
). PFI was another really shit idea for the long-term.