You’ve accused me of running away from an argument, when I didn’t. I pointed out the cherry-picking Kirkup did to produce his proof, and gave examples of his recent output. Doesn’t seem unreasonable. You, after all, have recently joined the “can’t say that” crowd over what McDonnell did.
Finally, after claiming all of this, you’ve tried to make out like it’s something I do all the time, despite there being many noted examples of me choosing honesty over self-preservation or loss of face.
If you don’t understand how that’s personal, the “set two” forum is probably more your speed.
Example 1: Malnutrition gone up in some areas and down in others - how has this happened? From last 2 days.
Example 2: Increase in Stamp Duty to reduce property prices. From yesterday.
I’ll await your insight.
As an aside, if you think we’ve grossly misjudged the situation, I assume you’ll back that up with some stats so you can substantiate that claim. Happy to back down if you can prove it’s not just your opinion.
To resolve this debate: some people on welfare do spend too much on “luxury” items like Sky, fags etc, some people do not. You can’t make blanket statements about people but it is partially correct.
Source: Worked in One Stop in Portswood for a long, long time. The amount people spend on fucking scratchcards…
Not sure about the Hopkins thing. I did also watch the interviews with a number of students who explained why they did what they did.
I’m afraid the students probably didn’t show anything other than bias and (probably) don’t really know much about anything. One case in point: it was averred that Hopkins has no intellectual standing. Why should she necessarily have to have an opinion? Isn’t that elitist? Two, as I understand it she has an MBA which is a Masters level qualification so she’s intellectually ahead of those students. Three, someone said “I feel”, which is all well and nice but is simply code for “wot I want” ergo a bigot, etc.
Initially I had considered that the silent protest was both interesting and good and worthwhile but then I thought about the point of the meeting. Was it not a debate? Where contrasting ideas are proposed, expounded, defended and ultimately won or lost to an extent? If so, where was the debate? I think they could have done it better and I do recollect an article in the Grauniad where Hopkins is interviewed and has partly said that she’s playing a bit of a caricature so (perhaps) had people listened and so forth there might have been some room for more understanding.
There are better ways to attempt to do something other than displaying your own faults and in this case I think that that protest wasn’t carried out at all well or for the real reasons that should have been stated given they were at a learning organisation.
Pap, I don’t want this to get personal, but it winds me up when you post - aimed at me - in a misrepresenting way (see Mikey’s post above where he assumed I’d made a blanket statement).
Example 1: Malnutrition gone up in some areas and down in others - how has this happened? From last 2 days.
Do you want me to explain regional variance, or relative affluence?
Example 2: Increase in Stamp Duty to reduce property prices. From yesterday.
I’ll await your insight.
Don’t bother. Answered yesterday. Another insoluble humdinger dealt with.
As an aside, if you think we’ve grossly misjudged the situation, I assume you’ll back that up with some stats so you can substantiate that claim. Happy to back down if you can prove it’s not just your opinion.
_We’ve? _ You and James? Did you help him on the “Ken Livingstone is a hate-filled cockroach” bit n all?
Example 1: Malnutrition gone up in some areas and down in others - how has this happened? From last 2 days.
Do you want me to explain regional variance, or relative affluence?
Well considering you were asked this question various times, and didn’t off that answer once, I’m surprised to see such an unsubstantiated answer. I say surprised, but in reality I’m just being polite.
Example 2: Increase in Stamp Duty to reduce property prices. From yesterday.
I’ll await your insight.
Don’t bother. Answered yesterday. Another insoluble humdinger dealt with.
Apologies, I must have missed that.
What did you say?
As an aside, if you think we’ve grossly misjudged the situation, I assume you’ll back that up with some stats so you can substantiate that claim. Happy to back down if you can prove it’s not just your opinion.
_We’ve? _ You and James? Did you help him on the “Ken Livingstone is a hate-filled cockroach” bit n all?
Just replying to your post, here:
However, like the author, you’ve grossly overstated the importance of the issue.
I just want to give you the opportunity to be objective about things. It just turns out you can’t be. Shame, as if you showed some humility in these debates people wouldn’t get so annoyed attempting to debate with you.
I gave a qualified answer on both your points and stated that some people that access foodbanks have other vices.
You had the chance to read about things. You didn’t, and are now doing the very mispresentation you claim to be a victim of. I have conceded points (gratuitously and over generously - I was never claiming sainthood for the poor) and gave qualified support to a Tory policy.
I’m left with three conclusions. Can’t read, won’t read or not objective. Which is it?
And FWIW, sir, the only person annoying you is yourself.
I actually don’t agree with that, protest yes but don’t stifle debate, the extreme left love this bollocks, don’t go or go and contribute, she is a parasite that feeds of this shit.
Compare and contrast with Germaine Greer, targeted by trans activists. She didn’t even end up going to the event, and pulled out.
Then perhaps throw in the whole conference that was supposed to take place on Israel in the University of Southampton, but ended up getting cancelled because of whatever pressures.
In this case, the event went on. Hopkins had the chance to go up and say what she wanted to say; no-one stopped her from speaking.
Freedom of speech has been under attack in academic institutions for a bit now. That was a decent protest which allowed freedom of expression on all sides. No-one was silenced.
What were the " whatever pressures" that supposedly hastend the cancellation of the conference concerning Israel in the University of Southampton?
Btw, I agree, they didn’t stop her speaking…they just did the typical Libtard response of putting their fingers in their ears and not listening, or more to the point …not wanting to listen because it’s not what what they want to hear.
Here’s a fairly grim story about Mark Clarke, a Tory aide that apparently is something of a bully. The party had been warned about him before and did nowt about it. Now, the parents of a man who killed himself, naming Mark Clarke as a tormentor, are calling for Grant Shapps and Lord Feldman, the Tory Chairmen, to resign.
I hate people like that. We come across this at work from time to time, and whilst we wheedle them out eventually, their actions are so subversive and corrosive they have caused untold damage before we can get them.
