:tories: Tories in trouble?

I’m telling you, the man on street view, i.e the bros who just hear occassional headline & don’t follow things too close, aka the voting majority, is that Theresa May is doing gd job, and Tory is safer bet at moment than Labour.

That is what I am hearing.

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Yes, I agree with this. The majority think that things are ok, why rock the boat and change things. Not sure how this can chance. They see the Tories as standing for the working classes more than labour… very very worrying, as this is one major thing that labour always had on their side.

The Tories played the game over Moorside. Jeremy Corbyn pissed off Cumbria (west) when he said he did not agree with Moorside and refused to support nuclear power. As May just avoided the question.

Nuclear power is massive in the lives of west Cumbrian’s as it is the main employment at Sellafield. So this was always going to be a bad move, but again Corbyn was just being honest and would not move on this point to please the voters. As Trudy Harrison’s husband works in nuclear power… it was never going to end well.

So this seems like it was another protest vote, which will backfire when they have their hospitals shut instead! But at least they will have a shiny new nuclear power plant!

Work is more important than hospitals I would guess if you had the choice, and although I’m being facetious so are you by saying their hospitals will be shut.

Looking at my interpretation below it could have only been the Tories that were going to win this one.

As it was a by election how could any of the candidate promise anything? apart from the Tories that are in power and have the ability (I assume) to divert funds for specific projects in the area?

The Universal Credit Scheme is being trialled in bits of SO16 right now. Cannot help thinking it’s a ticking timebomb. Part of that universal, single payment is the claimants’ housing benefit. Traditionally, this has been paid direct to landlords, which was probably the best arrangement for both parties. Landlords were guaranteed the dough, while tenants could never spend what they never received.

Now they can.

Inevitably, people are going to default, particularly if they have debt elsewhere. They’ll eventually be made homeless, while landlords will be a lot warier about taking tenants that are reliant on housing benefit for a portion of their income.

Lose, lose.

Oh I agree, I have seen the community spirit in West Cumbria. It is massive and forms their survival, as it puts food on the table. Healthcare only becomes an issue, when you need it, over work anyway.

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Well yeah. Healthcare is important to people but the job comes first. Simple case of priorities innit.

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Dying with a good job, or unemployed but healthy?

A job is a means to an end. No more, ever.

People have their priorities all wrong.

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This picture has everything.

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Not sure how much stock to place in this. Governments of any stripe aren’t particularly good at investigating themselves.

There is considerable unease within the Conservative Party today after it was confirmed that the Police have sent files to the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) this weekend after completing their investigations into claims that Tory MP’s broke the rules on election expenses at the 2015 general election. The investigation goes right to the very top of the party, including one of Theresa May’s closest aides, and initially involved enquiries into 24 results.

MP’s are accused of spending more money on their campaigns than legally allowed, with the South Thanet seat that UKIP Former Leader Nigel Farage narrowly lost being one of those under scrutiny.

Senior Conservatives are said to fear that in at least six of the seats, including South Thanet, there is a very real threat that the results could be declared void, forcing a rush of by-elections. They have also been told that it is likely that criminal prosecutions of certain individuals will follow.

If this happens, will the referendum go the same way?

Aren’t they investigating the targeted advertising on social media. Don’t think it was declared properly and there seemed to be a worry about what was claimed in the ads.

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Advertising Standards Agency can’t intervene in referenda, apparently.

It’s why the NO2AV campaign was able to say that babies and soldiers would die if we deigned to change our voting system.

Advertising Standards Agency? Not according to Kinnock. Seems to be more about how it was financed.

Stephen Kinnock, a pro-remain Labour MP, has asked the UK’s elections and referendums regulator to urgently “investigate whether it breached provisions in the Political Parties Elections and Referendums Act 2000”.

This was originally posted by @intiniki and came to mind.

Very worrying that they can target groups and individuals so easily, with so little accountability. This has more power than a misleading but believed sun/mail headline ever could.

That would be the best thing that could happen(i’d be cracking up for days).

June 2019. New referendum. We’re out(illegally now), should we beg to be let back in. Then everyone can argue the same half truths all over again.

Stops people looking at the real problems.

Hmm … the Kinnocks eh?

He is probably pissed off that once his westminster career has ground to a halt, he wont be able to benefit from mummy and Daddy’s connections in the EU and bag himself a gold plated pension. (not that the Westminster one is too shabby)

I knew Kinnocks name would get that reaction. Thought twice about quoting him, was expecting it to be @pap though.

Leave.EU communications director, Andy Wigmore couldn’t help himself branding Kinnock a “remoaner” and “a rabid Europhile”. This makes me think guilty straight away.

Wonder if i’ll still be alive when it eventually gets sorted?

Not got a lot of time for Neil Kinnock, nor Stephen Kinnock either, but I’m rooting for the Kinnock Political Dynasty. I think it has the potential to go down as one of the dimmest in political history when you count the achievements.

Neil is of course, famous for leading the Labour Party to two defeats. You can perhaps forgive him for losing to Thatcher. Everyone did. Losing to Major was unforgivable, and to my then 17-year old mind, inconceivable. My A-Level politics teacher taught us that historically, non-English leaders didn’t generally get elected. Blair was the exceptional double-whammy, born Scottish but culturally English.

I liked Kinnock at the time, and was gutted when the Labour Party lost in 1992. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Realistically, I don’t think he’d have been too different from Blair if elected; he’s turned out to be pretty right-wing by Labour standards. He has a fucking cheek declaring that anyone can’t win an election, as he unusually had two bites of the cherry and couldn’t pop it either time. He is the only person to have lost an election to an unelected second string Prime Minister for over 40 years.

His nipper seems to be a rabid Blairite, and has probably never been outside political circles. He has his job because he happened to fly out of Glenys’ vagina.

Wonder if i’ll still be alive when it eventually gets sorted?

Considering the fact that the First World War hasn’t eventually been sorted, no.

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OK, we all agree the Kinnocks are twats.

Back to the question. Can the referendum be overturned if this is proven(not the Kinnocks bit) and what happens then? Another referendum, sorry Europe we were only joking or we don’t care it was illegal, we’re doing it anyway?