🇺🇦 The War/Invasion in/of Ukraine

How do you know that? Since when do governments give back money?

Well HRH Your Celebrated Jubilee Majesty did pay 12 mil to support the victims charity of a woman her son claims he has never met

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Possibly so yes but that isn’t my point for abolishing the monarchy, my point for their staying is one of national totem and a pragmatic one of the money they bring in.

We’ve got a Jubilee thread. Perhaps move future discussion there.

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Has anyone else noticed @Donkey_Schlong twice hasn’t answered my question on fascist Alexsandr Dugin?
I have.

That’s because you are the only one who reads your posts

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What do you want me to say about him. He’s a philosopher who’s work I haven’t read. Have you read any of his work?

You claim he is “the brains” of Putin and a fascist. Without offering any evidence of what you mean. Sure, there’s plenty of dodgy western media parroting the entirely independent views of Barry but if you want to discuss the relevance of Dugin to the war in Ukraine maybe set out your case as a starting point instead of expecting other people to do the legwork for you.

What are your views on what Zelenksy’s “brains” Arestovich espouses in these videos?

Here he is in his own words talking about how much he admires ISIS/ISIL:

During his attendance on a Ukrainian political talk show (most likely in previous years), Mr. Arestovich openly stated that he “admired and respected” the methods used by the infamous Islamic State, a global Islamic terrorist group, widely known for the absolutely horrific crimes, destruction and simply havoc they have brought on the peoples of Syria, Iraq, Libya, Nigeria and even the Philippines, in addition to numerous individual terrorist attacks all across the globe. This was what Mr. Arestovich said:

“The commanders of ISIL are considered some of the more wise and successful commanders that there are currently. Everything is thought through in detail, even the degree of cruelty. Cruelty for show – it is inhumane, but it is of a very high level, a wise strategy, taking their particular interests into account.”

In another talk show, Mr. Arestovich reiterated his admiration for the terrorists once again:

“They are acting very correctly, I even have a notebook where I analyze ISIL in great detail, the best practices of running their business, the way they govern. Those methods, the world needs them, even though this means terrorism, medieval levels of cruelty, burning people alive, shooting them or cutting off their heads, etc. This is absolutely the way of the future.”

And here’s a lovely Ukrainian ISIS inspired video:

Here he is talking about how stupid someone has to be in order to vote for Zelensky:

So I’ve asked a question about Dugin and you come back with he’s a philosopher and numerous Zelensky videos?

You literally couldn’t make it up, you’re a Russian mouthpiece, I’ll help you though here is what Putins brain and leader has said.

I’m not taken in for a minute by your smoke and mirrors and distraction, you can’t even say Dugin is a fascist.

Arestovich videos, Barry, not Zelensky. All the Slavs look the same to you I guess.

Ummm…you’re not reading what he wrote.

You’re literally “making it up”

We get you have Beef with @Donkey_Schlong but at least don’t embarrass yourself.

I’ve asked about Dugin and he’s stated he is a philosopher, he is also quoting anti Zelensky videos, you have a hard on for me, I get it but please read what I wrote.

No, they’re anti Zelansky videos, care to comment upon the original question of Putins brains the fascist Dugin without posting distraction?

I asked you if you had read his work. You ignored me so I assume that’s a no.

I asked you to make the case that he is a fascist and the brains of Putin. Did you even look at the links you posted in response to this?

You posted a video where what he is actually saying is entirely reasonable and not fascistic in the slightest. He touches on the topic of Eurasionism, and what he says about it in the clip at least sounds no worse than the shit you spout about totems and integration. I.e he wants there to be a Russian identity. There’s some cuts to the producers where they put their spin on what he must really mean but looking at his words only, this video proves nothing.

I asked you to make the case that he’s “the brains” of Putin, the interviewer in this video also seems to be very interested in making this case but Dugin is extremely reluctant to cooperate. The interviewer claims that Dugin said Russia should invade Ukraine and that Dugin said Russia should become friends with Iran and since that’s exactly what Putin did therefore Dugin must be Putin’s brains QED. This is clearly no proof whatsoever, correlation does not equal causation. Plenty of people predicted those things.

The spectator article has no substance and doesn’t directly address any of the questions I asked so I can only assume you’ve never read it.

Nope, one of the three videos could maybe be characterised as an anti Zelensky video.

Why should anyone discuss anything with you Barry when you post trash you haven’t looked at yourself and you can’t even do the other people the courtesy of looking at the stuff they post in response to you.

First of all you never answer a question with a question.

Answer the question I asked on fascist Dugin first, you never answer questions do you? You simply try to divert. Trumpist position if ever there was one.

He is also quoted as saying

“Today’s Ukrainians are a race of degenerates that crawled up from sewage. Genocide is in order.”

Wrong. He said:

And this translation is from a pro Ukrainian source.

I answered your question.

If you think he’s relevant to the conversation, please post evidence that demonstrates that he’s s a fascist and that he exerts influence over Putin. Don’t send more articles you haven’t read. Put in some legwork and dig out some actual quotes not fake ones. Tell us about all his work you’ve read and précis your main findings.

Having said that. I do sympathise with you Barry. It can’t be nice for someone to talk about the genocide of your people. Even if idiots aren’t technically a race.

He had won me over at “ a genocide of cretins begs consideration”

I have a long long list built up over many years - I propose we start with my office landlord, and then head up to the HMRC offices. We could pop into the bank on the way.

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