đŸ‡ș🇩 The War/Invasion in/of Ukraine

And is he asking for western intervention?

Ironic as nearly all on here would hate that, wouldn’t they? Tigray and elsewhere, are they our wars or not?

I don’t disagree

Whenever foreign powers interfere they fuck it up

Most of the European powers at stage or other have bolluxed up another part of the world. The US have fucked up the last 100 years. I suspect the next 100 will belong to China

The big problem with the US is that it rarely has to deal with the problems it creates back home.

If the US faced invasion itself, it might not be so belligerent. e.g. Like most European nations that fancy avoiding wars generally. This might actually be an exception.

Probably won’t happen within my lifetime, but I think the EU will eventually tell the US to do one.

The in many instances are western made boundaries and borders that people don’t recognise for many reasons and nearly all have validity. But if western borders were ripped up then there’d be uprisings and wars.
It’s very very difficult.
Nation states on a road (slow) to democracy or ancestral tribal lands?

There were uprisings and wars when Eastern borders were settled without Russian involvement back in 1918 - 1939.

After the Cold War, Russia is once again excluded from having an influence on the overall settlement.

What’s happening now? Uprisings and wars, perchance?

You mean they couldn’t fully influence nations they held under their feet, surprising there free nations now don’t long to be under their control anymore and why they rushed to join NATO.

Perchance?

Well in the case of the 1919 settlement, they weren’t event invited.

All of the territory that the Germans had won was turned into new nation states. One of those states starts attacking Russia in the early '20s and ends up being the catalyst for another world wide conflagration.

I guess the lesson here is don’t make a new state think it’s invincible. It’s what happened in Poland and nothing we did saved it. It’s what’s happening here, and we’re not even putting boots on the ground this time.

Invincibility was achieved on neither occasion.

No it wasn’t, World War II started because the of the treaty of Versailles, we didn’t save Poland Pap we sold it down the river, your skewed history is interesting to say the least.

Rather than argue for the sake of it, maybe listen to this. Quite informative.

Poland: 100 years of history.

Sigh, and what happened as part of that treaty? Seriously mate check yourself before you wreck yourself.

You sound like a fucking bell when you write stuff like this down.

If you Danzig was responsible and not the treaty of Versailles then I don’t really know what to say.

Again, sigh.

The Paris Peace accords of 1919, of which the treaty of Versailles was part, was a conference established to sort out the post war settlement.

The Russians, Bolsheviks at the time, were not invited to this conference and had no say in the territorial settlements both on and within its former borders.

In your shoes, I’d either hire someone to fact check yourself or alternatively, actually click on the thing you’ve just Googled. Transcend the summary, etc.

I think Hitler disagrees, land confiscation was one of the reasons but not the reason, why did Hitler destroy the train carriage after the 2nd armistice was signed?
Look into that, you’re looking at it from a Russian point of view not a world view.
Can Germany invade Russia to retake Kaliningrad?
Before you copy and paste Pap go and look into Hitlers rise and reasons for World War II.
France, start there.

Do I really have to explain to you why the Bolsheviks weren’t invited? Again many reasons, maybe not sticking to a peace plan?

Hearing it’s at the bottom of the Black Sea, huge huge loss for the Russian military.

Strange, because according to reports from the Pentagon its operating under its own power and on its way to Sevastopol:

Pentagon spokesperson John Kirby on Thursday said the flagship of Russia’s Black Sea fleet was still afloat and “operating under her own power” after an explosion aboard the vessel — which Ukraine said was the result of a missile strike and Russia said was caused by an internal fire detonating ammunition.

And according to Mykola Bielieskov, research fellow at Ukraine’s National Institute for Strategic Studies in Kyiv to the BBC:

Moskva “is an old ship” - and it has been newer Russian vessels that have been hitting Ukraine with “Kalibr cruise missiles”

So, it’s not exactly the devastating blow you seem to think it is albeit a bit embarrassing for Russia irrespective of whether the Ukrainian’s have actually hit it or not.

Their whole military operation has been as barbaric as it has been embarrassing.

Strange, you believe US sources now, why?

I don’t know why you can’t work this out for yourself, but If the Russians are saying it’s not sunk and the US are saying it’s not sunk, I think it pretty safe to say, it’s not sunk.

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Don’t worry Barry would start an argument with himself if no one ever responded to his posts :wink:

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How’s life as a Hitler-whisperer then?

Is the pay good?