The problem on this thread is that people have come with opinions already entrenched be it pro- Russian, anti-Russian, anti- west, anti- govt etc and are broadly incapable/ unwilling to move from them
Everyone is dying on the hill of their own making and is unwilling to come down
This is the internet way
If only.
Trying to maintain your own opinion on this one is quite an ask. Most people just take the easy route and parrot whatever is on the BBC.
And that information is coming from very few sources. So if someone is relying on a single source Azov opinion, is it their opinion, is it the BBCās opinion or is everyone in the chain just a multiplier of that single source?
The entire BBC content isnāt being provided by a single Asov source - you are sat on you anti-BBC mountain, come on down - its not so bad
Iām not saying that I donāt care about whatās happening in the Ukraine. But I clearly donāt care sufficiently to actually delve into all the circumstances and form a real opinion about it, and I do feel slightly guilty about that. My excuse to myself is that it would be utterly impossible to get to anything resembling the full truth so trying to do so would be futile, but I still have this nagging doubt that I ought to give more of a shit because people are dying than getting annoyed because fuel prices are shooting up.
Thanks to Barry, weāve been following the Ukraine story in some form for years, long before the invasion, so background really wasnāt that hard for me to remember or for Barry to forget.
Right now weāre in the fog of war, I donāt speak Russian or Ukrainian, so with the vast majority of things Iāve seen, Iām either relying on images good enough to stand on their own or faith that the translation is accurate.
This will all come out in the wash. I donāt think you can trust anything Zelensky says. So many hands are up his are you donāt know which one is making the eyes shift right to left. You canāt trust Putin. I am far from convinced that he wonāt have a nibble at NATO now that he knows how weak it is.
Most of all though, you canāt trust US motives in this. The President seems up to his arse in the corruption of the last eight years and if the world has learned one thing since 1945, the last people you want fixing foreign policy by force are the Americans. Little bit tired of them shitting on Europeās doorstep when they donāt usually have to live with the direct consequences.
Is NATO really weak or is that their hands are tied because Ukraine isnāt a NATO member?
I think Iāve mooted before that NATO can only been seen to be doing something if the UN ask them to otherwise they risk provoking Putin even more, and we all know the outcome to the that.
Well you canāt say my dear brother didnāt say the Russians arenāt aggressive can you?
There will come a time when the west WILL have to do something, not NATO but maybe a peacekeeping force with certain offensive powers, if not Pakistan will start playing this card over Kashmir but Iād fear the Indians wouldnāt back down, nuclear is supposed to keep the status quo between nations and that has been blown out of the water here as
I donāt think NATO has ever really been tested in a scenario like this. Sure, youāve got the bombing of Yugoslavia to fall back on, but itās usually one of two members working together (e.g. Iraq, Libya, etc).
Also, look at the challenges that NATO has that Russia simply doesnāt. Itās a coalition of democracies, and as weāve seen just on sanctions, there is a lot of fucking national self-interest kicking about.
Also found something out about legal obligations if a NATO member is attacked. There is no legal requirement to put boots on the ground. The NATO members must convene to discuss any attack, but beyond that it gets wooly.
Something that I started to look at last night and gave up were the real economic effects of this.
It starts with how much Fertiliser Ukraine exported (and tbh Russia) and how the loss of that could impact on crops being planted in the EU (maybe a 15% reduction)
And seeds, equally maybe up to 15% so feed stiock costs will rise then then arrgh.
But then the next light bulb. Eastern Europe is as vital to your living as China. There are Billions of dollars invested by āThe Westā in EEU - cars heavy machinery, helicopters, technology, washing machines, the list is endless.
Would NATO have to act IF a member was attacked? Not necessarily.
Could the Western supply chains collapse could all your pension plans vanish and worse? Yes. There are way more risks to this than becoming a pile of radioactive ash. That could be the best outcome.
Scared the shit out of me.
And add to that I am here training Engineers, Sales & Marketing people to be more capable of speaking English because the markets they serve could be changing and 3 weeks ago they were getting about 8-10 enquiries a year (for big $ / Zloty projects). Theyāve had 7 since I started on Thursday.
Nice to be a Guru, scary knowing what they do.
No cannot tell you. Yes you can work it out
So in summary, I expect Jeff Bezos Bill Gates et al will tell Biden to act to protect their investments
If Ukraine kidnapped her, that forehead would deflect any fucking hypersonic.
George Galloway has been marked as āRussian state-affiliated mediaā on Twitter.
Scott Ritter has been suspended.
So weāve now descended to taking the piss out of peopleās appearance?
Regardless of what her role is in this shitshow have we (you) descended to taking the piss out of appearances to denigrate and belittle our perceived enemies / untermensch?
Putin is a cunt but the Naziās used to do that about Jews, as youāll know from your extensive reading of history.
Comedy? No. Poor form.
Good, both add nothing to the discussion other than mud and smoke and mirrors.
Galloway is a horrible man as is Ritter.
Hold up, weāve got mock shock opportunist indignation right over here.
Both have done more than enough to discredit themselves, thatās for sure.
It still begs the question āwhy now?ā. And thereās an obvious answer.
People have had a gutful of their hateful projection and absolute bias when speaking. Of course its a convenient time to get rid of them as thereāll be less of a fuss, I hate with a passion censorship but this is a different kind, if they were brought into the mainstream and challenged and shown up Iād be happy but people donāt want to be seen on a platform with them, that is how toxic they are, theyāve gone so far theyāre shit even to someone like me who hates the closing down of opinion.
Does @BTripz need to draw a pencil moustache on Roger Mellie? Perhaps extend his hand a bit so it looks like heās hailing a cab with his left hand? 
Youāre onboard with offboarding people. Whatever happened to Barry, champion of freedom of speech?
Oh behave.
Youāre running out of arguments I think if you now have to move on from slagging off the appearance of Putinās daughter to trying to belittle me. Grasping at straws. 