RT got closed down because it wasnât a reality, it was propaganda.
Anyway so few people expose your views its led you and others to have a coalition with people like Macgregor whose views in professional circles are viewed as not only wholly wrong but dangerous. Youâre aligning with the far right, climate deniers, Fox News, RT, Tucker Carlson, Trump and many other undesirables.
You seems to be getting a bit personal now Barry.
Letâs have some reasoned debate.
In other news.
A lot of Russians & Ukrainians arenât going to be too happy when they finally get home.
Worse because their credit cards dont work, not covered by insurance either.
Barry, how many Ukrainian soldier casualties have there been in this war so far? How many tanks, helicopters and planes have they got left. Where are the Ukrainian forces located?
Please provide sources.
They donât need anything other than high altitude air defence which they may get, theyâre getting NLAWâS, stingers (which laid waste to them in Afghanistan), Javelins etc etc, that will bog down the Russians indefinitely.
Hence the Russians bombing indiscriminately, poor morale, discipline and leadership.
Why would they be doing that otherwise? Its against the Geneva convention to do that (they did withdraw from parts of it a while back which says all you need to know about Putin and his cronies) yet they do it.
This has been tried before of course, and it didnât end well, although I canât see the Saudis or the Chinese ending up being raped to death with a rusty bayonet for their troubles. It does give the lie to the nonsense about NATO being a strictly defensive organization though. They are Americaâs attack dog when needed, always have been.
Theyâre not.
So Zelensky is a reliable source for casualty estimation but Russian media is not. Understood. How many Ukrainian soldiers have surrendered?
No, but he is more reliable than the Kremlinâs line as there isnât one, theyâre giving out 15 years for dissent so that tells a 1000 words itself.
If you think this war is going halfway between Zelensky and Putin Iâd ask you to look at it again.
One City controlled.
Many deaths.
Going slow.
No where near control.
Hostile environment and population.
Of those points above I ask you to dispute and counter them.
And what zingers they are!
But this map, from the BBC, tells a different story. Russians already controlled the big cities at the east of the separatists. Controls Kherson, almost controls Mariupol and encircling Kiev.
âMany deathsâ
In a war? Thanks for the insight. No-one knew.
âGoing slow.â
Whatâs the expectation? Blitzkrieg? What would you consider a Russian success?
There are reports that most of the real fighting is being done in the East, with the Russians looking to take out the Azov Battalion, currently around Mariupol.
âNowhere near controlâ
Again, how are you defining that? Also, does Zelensky have anything like control?
âHostile environment and populationâ
Again. Thanks. We did not know this happened in wars. Very illuminating.
So you canât tell me anything about the status of the Ukrainian forces. The figures you have got for both sides are unverified and unreliable.
Youâre judging Russiaâs progress against targets you have invented âone city controlledâ.
The Russian aim from the beginning was stated to be demilitarisation and denazification i.e the destruction of Ukraineâs military capabilities with particular focus on their right wing militias you have no information to support their progress on that but you know the Russians are losing and the Ukrainians are winning. Wishful thinking.
Kherson
You mean where the local population have protested and donât want them there and where the Ukrainian have bombed the Russian controlled airport?
Mariupol
Where the Russians have resorted to indiscriminate bombing as they canât break through
Kyiv
Theyâre not anywhere near controlling it and they havenât even encircled it yet.
That is one City Pap, one City after over 3 weeks of trying, and theyâll only go slower as well.
You do know wars get slower the longer they go on as forces get dug in?
You do know the biggest motivating factor in war is ârightâ, the Ukrainian know they fighting the right fight so theyâll fight to the death, the Russians donât have that hence stories of destroying equipment and shooting themselves so they donât have to fight.
They havenât even started going house to house yet, only troops can do that.
You think the Russian army after seeing this showing want that? Theyâll be obliterated.
No it wasnât.
Putinâs aim was to install a puppet Government so NATO wonât happen (that may happen but Ukraine accession was never on the cards).
To bring Ukraine under the Russian sphere of influence.
To stop Ukraine on joining the EU.
Other than Ukraine not joining NATO Putin has failed and failed massively, all Ukraine have to do is hold on and Russia will fail.
How will Russia be able to subjugate Ukraine when Ukraine quite obviously will not submit?
He thought theyâd roll over but the casualties say quite another thing and so does his bombing of childrens hospitals.
Demilitarisation hasnât worked has it as Ukraine will be provided with the best weaponry money can buy, Russian tanks can not counter the javelin and NLAWâs and that is a fact.
Denazification is the biggest load of crap and we all know that, in the last free elections in Ukraine only 1.6% voted for far right parties, Russia nees to look at its own history of fascist tendencies and denials (War World II) (pogroms).
Utter crap and propaganda for the ignorant.
If you look carefully, there is information on exactly this subject regarding the Iraq invasion. Prior to Saddam being declared Public Enemy Number One by Bush, Blair and Campbell, Iraq had become the first major oil producer to break ranks and trade their oil in Euros rather than dollars.
I donât know anywhere near enough on the subject to form an opinion on the credibility of this conspiracy theory, but it basically says that was the prime reason for the invasion. Whether thatâs true or not, what is true is that post-invasion Iraq reverted to trading itâs oil in dollars.
Theyâre not going to have to go house to house.
Even if you donât realise it, or itâs not widely acknowledged in the Anglosphere, post-coup Ukraine has effectively been a client state of the US, which has eagerly ploughed money into the nascent nation. The conflict is much better understood in this context.
I agree with @Donkey_Schlong. I think Putin will achieve his stated objectives and by the measure youâve set yourself, there is evidence that he is not in fact, the same as Hitler.
The invasion of Poland was over in nine days, with around 66k Polish civilian deaths. This war has been on three weeks and there have regrettably been 708 civilian casualties according to the information youâve posted.
All civilian deaths are a tragedy, but I think the gulf in those numbers helps us better distinguish between hysteria and reality.
Are you honestly saying Putin doesnât want to control Ukraine and bring it back under Russian influence?
For client state read a nation wanting to modernise and open up to the west.
Pap donât compare the invasion of Poland to this, please donât theyâre vastly different in context and outcome. Donât do that.
Ukraine will remain sovereign, that was Putins overall objective, he has massively failed as it stands and can only bomb indiscriminately which is against the Geneva convention which in turn makes him a war criminal.
Why are you asking me questions Iâve already answered? Iâve said I believe heâll achieve his objectives in this conflict.
Iâm not putting my neck on the line with that assessment. Putin did not go on to control all of Georgia after the territorial gains in South Ossetia. Took a similar possession is nine tenths of the law stance in negotiations.
And no, I donât think heâll go on to control Ukraine, but I donât think he wants it being a US client state either.
He doesnât regard Ukraine as a Country, he sees it an extension of Russia, how can that be when he has pushed it further away?
Theyâll in all probability join the EU in the next 10 years and them being able to do so will be the peace agreement, self determination is what Ukraine are fighting for.
Russia will have to withdraw for any peace Pap, Jesus you canât believe theyâll stay in Ukraine? Theyâll be whittled down to nothing and the Russianâs will be sanctioned back Stalins era.
The rouble is worth nothing now, what will happen to their economy?
Can we just remember what Russia were actually looking for in 2013 when the EU deal was turned down? A close relationship with Ukraine, guaranteed non-bloc membership and neutrality, in exchange for a load more cash than the EU, with a lot less strings attached.
The present Ukraine was conceived when that EU offer was turned down. Then there was a coup, Ukraine becomes a client state of the west, openly hostile to both Russia and the Russian-speaking minorities in Ukraine.
This was not âPlan Aâ, and events today are the direct result of Putin wanting Ukraine closer and them agreeing to the prospect.
