Quite. Another issue for me is the repeated description of players “refusing” to wear rainbow apparel. Unless they had been specifically instructed by their employers to do so or face some form of reprimand, it seems to me that they aren’t refusing to do anything. They’re declining to do something they happen to disagree with or feel uncomfortable about, and shouldn’t have to justify that position to anyone.
Oh mate, that is so wrong on every level as a view.
You just dissed the belief system of 1.9 billion Muslims in the world, let alone other religions.
Their entire lives are built around the pillars of Islam.
Simply because “the west” has lost its soul and belief system to “enlightenment” and there you are trying to force your view of Human Rights onto others.
It is so wrong. - Look I do not in anyway agree with the Islamic belief system, but by your own admission, THEY have the right to THER beliefs.
You are the one showing prejudice it is not me picking an argument - it is simply what isms force onto humanity.
By your argument Human RIghts are also based on made up nonsense.
What we ALL should do is to respect everybody’s rights - that s what the new culture of it offends me is destroying.
You have the right to post your reply, It isn’t wrong, t is simply not inclusive of billions of others on this hellhole planet we are creating/leaving to our grandkids.
Islam is made up shit?
Yep, well done.
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In this particular instance, who is spreading prejudice? You’re imposing your own context in order to get arsey about it.
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We are all atheists to some extent. Those who anchor themselves to one system dont believe in any of the other 3000 odd gods or prophets that have come and gone… belief systems usually thrust upon folks by accident if when or where they were born…
@Polski_Filip - why pick out Muslims in your rebuke? I never mentioned any specific religious choice, I was referring to them all. I assume you you are of Judeo-christian origin/belief system so why not defend that?
Our ‘basic human rights’ laws have not just come out of some moral compass granted by ‘god’ they are an important consequence of a maturing society and civilization. its why we don’t mutilate babies any more… oh wait…
I am not spreading prejudice against any believer, just saying if their views or actions go against fundamental human rights then they should STFU… Do you suggest to include the right to do as you please if its under religious doctrine?
Afterall the Israeli actions in Gaza have been justified through a ‘divine right’?
It has sort if diverged from the thread … might be better moved?
I wasnt suggesting you were spreading prejudice. But you turned a discussion about a footballer writing on an armband and the subsequent talk about whether they should be compelled to wear the armband in the first place, into saying those of a religious belief, inferring Ghehi in particular, will spread prejudice irrespective of their own beliefs. And you did that in order to get ranty about it. Which i find odd.
Nope its started because I see these symbols and BLM as actions to highlight social injustices and that external belief systems should not be an excuse not to support what are basic human rights?
Maybe I got arsy, true, but we pander to much to folks actions that are ‘excused’ by belief systems.
I respect folks right to hold beliefs as they see fit, but there can no longer be any justification to undermine basic human rights because of them, same with political ideology or any excuse given
My question is: If asked to make a small gesture of support for basic human rights whether wearing an armband or kneeling for a few seconds? why would anyone not feel ‘comfortable’ in doing so?
Sure if these symbols become hijacked and used for nefarious purposes then fair enough, it was a genuine question?
What business is it of yours how they feel about it, or why they feel how they do about it? We’re not in a Thought Police state yet, although we’re heading that way.
Come on, thats just arguing for arguments sake… It might not be my business but its still a valid question
Fundamental Human Rights? well there is a subjective belief system right there. It just a human construct same as religion - I would go further to say human rights is a legal codification of the main tenet of Christianity - ie dont be a cunt
Anyway read Article 9 of the Human Rights Act - you will find that religion and belief is a fundamental human right.
All true, but the paradox that its your right to mutilate babies, discriminate against many minorities or even any non believers or commit genocide and ethnically cleanse in the name of it is one that cant be overlooked… Whilst that shit continues in the name of any lord, those that demand such things, dont fall under that protection IMHO
One of the key point in this mess.
Nobody was asked. It was decreed that these would be worn this week. People support many causes but not when t gets rammed down your throat or you are forced to comply.
Rainbow Laces was never a mandatory for everyone concept.
I referred to Muslims because I have knowledge and experience having travelled excessively within and with their lands. I am no expert but I do not need to google to check their core beliefs.
Obviously I could have included this Nation and most East of here in that number but here change is happening. I simply say go fuck yourself to opiniated Yanks/Brits who demand change and acceptance happens faster. It will happen.
Oh, and Saudi/Qatar aren’t going to change just because FIFA demand it while they take their money
Rammed down their throat… really? Best only do it once then put it back in its box so as not to upset anyone’s ‘throats’ ?….
I have also ‘extensively travelled’ and count folks if different religions including Muslims amongst my close friends. We dont agree on many things but we do on those issues above and its sadly why one of my muslim friends is no longer able to speak with his family… this is NOT about gradual cultural change, that wont happen when children are only taught one way… its no different from Apartheid, where there is universal condemnation that brought about relative quick change… sadly those countries sitting on a ton of oil, or have influence on the US government, can do what the fuck they like… ‘’all in the name if some mythical all seeing all doing being… who wants you to follow a very specific set of rules… rules that if you break will mean spending an eternity in fire, torture, extreme pain and suffer the most horrific torment until the end of time… but he loves you! … and he needs money, lots of money’’
So the actions of a few mean that the belief system of a huge number does not deserve recognition, that’s like saying that because of the criminal activities of a few Albanian immigrants, all Albanians are cunts and do no deserve protection against racism
Read again. I have no issue if folks want to believe in a load of nonsense -its when it transfers and drives behaviours that undermine the rights to live without fear and discrimination I have a fucking bug issue with.
No No No, You know very well that this is NOT the same thing nor is it a relevant analogy. You dont tar a whole population with the actions or views of a few. That is NOT the same thing as having no time or acceptance of those who do bad shit in the name of some mythical being… behave!
this is exactly the issue at hand - people are being compelled to support an ideology (LGBT) than does not align with their beliefs. Their rights are being undermined and the fear being singled out if they don’t comply.
You are happy with this because you dont buy into religion and therefore do not believe their rights are as important.
I’m stopping now, I am banging my head against the wall of secular fundamentalism.
Yep you are. IMHO belief systems lose any credibility when they undermine another human beings right yo live without fear or discrimination. They also have no place in Government or politic…
My ‘belief system’ means I am happy for you to believe in what you want, and you are free to practice it as you need, But if that means you act like a cunt to others then yes, your belief system is fundamentally flawed, and folks should not simply ignore it and let it slide because the behaviour is part of said belief.
So, you’re right and they’re wrong. End of.