Good to see you getting youre priorities right Phil!
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Do you trust me lou? Iād like to think that my chances get demeanour on here has counted for something.
Originally posted by @hypochondriac
Do you trust me lou? Iād like to think that my chances get demeanour on here has counted for something.
And in English??
Originally posted by @hypochondriac
Do you trust me lou? Iād like to think that my chances get demeanour on here has counted for something.
Sorry to answer Louās question before sheās had a chance to respond herself, but if you and hypo@TSW are the one and the same (and I hope you are, the ramifications of someone pretending to be hypo@TSW are too terrifying to contemplate), then Iād argue that any goodwill youāre generating here by not being a little worm is being undone by the little worm over at TSW.
Originally posted by @hypochondriac
Originally posted by @Coxford_lou
Originally posted by @pap
If Iāve got any criticism of Furball that would apply to both his incarnations, itād be that he is far too quick to draw detailed conclusions from limited information. It was equally amusing and frustrating when we were sparring on SaintsWeb. Itās something of a shame applied here, and as I said before, doesnāt make any sense.
If me daās comments were followed by a series of yeehahs, pitchforks and white-sheeted mobs, weād have a problem. bletch is also correct in that if itās left unchallenged, we have a problem. That isnāt whatās happened here, and if this thread alone were held up as representative of everything Sotonians is about, I would not be embarrassed by it. Iād actually be proud. Proud because weāve got a site where such views can be aired, discussed and debated.
No-one is going to come away from this thread thinking āSotonians, eh? What a bunch of racist cunts. Theyāll be worse than Stormfront within a yearā, so I donāt understand the drama.
I think trust is a bit thing in reactions like this. There are folks on here I implicitly trust, and those are in the main the people Iāve met. If the people I trust, said something a bit bonkers, Iād still be on their side (just be wondering whatās up).
There are people on here I like loads and am intrigued by, but also a little nervous of! When they say something a bit bonkers, I sometimes react.
Of those Iāve not met, Bletch is in the former category. Bearsy in the latter, because Iām never sure if itās all just one big piss take and heās gonna make a fool of me any time soon! Highlighted by when he says something very smart, out of character!
I hope Furball gives us another chance, but I also feel sad CB Fry doesnāt have a friend at the moment, so that would solve that.
Do you trust me lou? Iād like to think that my chances get demeanour on here has counted for something.
No.
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I donāt think those points are news to fatso, Toke.
I think his point, well made and understood as it was, is that heās simply worn out of debating this issue with people who are unlikely to change their views. He had hoped papsweb would be different.
I have some sympathy with his stance, and I hope this forum will have a better approach than others at addressing apparently intractable problems like this. This current āsituationā gives me hope:
Firstly, Iād give great credit to unionhotel for his post clarifying his views. Nice touch.
Secondly, Iād like to give the personality of the forum a little credit too, in that uniohotel sensed discord on the forum, and this led to him offering an apology.
But in future, if similar problems are not solved through either of the two outcomes above, then we have the down-vote facility.
We could probably do with documenting the process we will follow if a Barry, sorry, a poster is continually down-voted for their contributions.
Suffice it to say that if the moderators see the community suggesting that posters are out of step with the majority, then weāll start a process that will aim to make the poster in question contribute in a more inclusive way - or it will ultimately result in them choosing to do one.
Thatās not to say that this would have helped fatso or Furball in this situation because I donāt sense that a large tract of the community was actually offended by unionhotelās comments.
Most appeared ready to debate with unionhotel - as was I.
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Originally posted by saintbletch
approach than others at addressing apparently intractable problems like this. This current āsituationā gives me hope:
Firstly, Iād give great credit to unionhotel for his post clarifying his views. Nice touch.
Agreed. I remember having an almighty row with my grandad when he was around the same age as my dad. Amazingly, I was utterly and completely in the right. He wasnāt backing down. My nan politely explained that my grandad was an older gentlemen, stuck in his ways, and there was no way he was going to admit he was wrong in front of a fourteen year old. Get over it, in other words.
That has not been necessary here.
Secondly, Iād like to give the personality of the forum a little credit too, in that uniohotel sensed discord on the forum, and this led to him offering an apology.
Again, I concur. I think a couple of posters have jumped the gun, but I canāt blame them. Unqualified, that statement is fairly bold and can provoke all kinds of reactions. They donāt have the context I did, nor indeed, the practice in resolving Taylor-clan-originated-extraordinary-events. I have a great deal of practice 
Thatās not to say that this would have helped fatso or Furball in this situation because I donāt sense that a large tract of the community was actually offended by unionhotelās comments.
The thing that provoked the reaction, quite rightly, was the stated admission of being a racist.
However, who does that comment really hurt? I know some have conjured up the worst, but in a society where racism is correctly seen as a bad thing, and on a forum which endorses that view, it only really hurts unionhotel. Heās a smart bloke and knows that. I think the forum largely saw it for what it was. Putting your own stake in the ground before someone else does it for you. As far as I can see, apart from vague references to African and Asian economic benefit migrants, rebutted by yours truly, he didnāt really have a go at anyone apart from himself.
Most appeared ready to debate with unionhotel - as was I.
Yeah, same here. I agree with Fatso about not wanting to debate with people who wonāt change their opinions, but that didnāt happen here today. Everyone comes out with credit, so I hope that anyone thinking of doing the offs has collared the postman and retracted that resignation letter.
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Iād be astounded if they are one and the same. Yes, that may indeed be a terrifying prospect, but our Hypoās posting style is nothing like that of the TSW original. I donāt mean what he says, more the type and style of language used.
On the second point, Iāve looked on TSW and Hypo made all of two comments on the thread about this forum. Nothing much to see there to be honest - I thought his description of you as our āleaderā was rather amusing though.
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I will not take pap seriously as our leader unless he sports a cuban heel, safari suit and fedora.
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Originally posted by @Fowllyd
Iād be astounded if they are one and the same. Yes, that may indeed be a terrifying prospect, but our Hypoās posting style is nothing like that of the TSW original. I donāt mean what he says, more the type and style of language used.
On the second point, Iāve looked on TSW and Hypo made all of two comments on the thread about this forum. Nothing much to see there to be honest - I thought his description of you as our āleaderā was rather amusing though.
Well, what do I know? Iām the undisputed loser in the all time BAP identity contest (now thereās a badge for Bazza). My previous is sketchy, unless sir is willing to take my correct detection of thedelldays = Batman into account. No-one usually is. āToo obviousā, they say. (JBoy excepted x)
However, if I had to stick my neck out, I do reckon theyāre one and the same. Both posters carry the hint of mild sneer and an unrequited need for acceptance, so if our hypo isnāt their hypo, hats off to our hypo impersonator. Heās getting the broad themes even if he isnāt nailing the specific dialogue.
Finally, I think all of the leader remarks are amusing. hypo wants to associate the site with me as if itās a bad thing, Fryās trying to dis me by calling this place Bletchweb. Iād love to respond in kind, so Iām eagerly awaiting hypoweb and fryweb. They wonāt be the first to set up breakaway forums, they wonāt be the last. I wish them well, if only for my right of reply x
Mild sneer? I take offence to that. Iāve been nothing but congenial since landing here. I apologise if your sneer detector went off, maybe itās how the written word comes across?
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Guilty as charged for the acceptance bit though. Deep down isnāt that what everyone strives for?
Originally posted by @hypochondriac
Guilty as charged for the acceptance bit though. Deep down isnāt that what everyone strives for?
That sounded dangerously close to a human emotion there, that canāt be Hypo.
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You can bet your bollocks to a barndance if I made comments llke those my bollocks would be nailed to the barn door, the Bazza is a ledge though, like the Dalai Lama, Gandhi and Derek Accorah, bang on the money, nepotism is another word for racism, human nature, cross that number and acknowledge it and we all together can progress as legends watching Kes and Russ Abbott.
Hey Kids ā¦ http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jul/03/greece-economy-collapse-close-food-medicine-shortage
Itās a bit more real for folks in Greece
I had kept out of this thread firstly because I know nothing about Europe, and then because I didnāt want to get involved in a racism thread.
it seemed to me that union hotel posts in a similar mode to me. That is to say, a bit abstract. You paint the most important parts and leave out the nuances expecting others to fill in the blanks for themselvesā¦This is terrible mistake on the Internet!
i never for one moment thought he was a racist in modern terms. I got the impression that he is cagey of the motives of a certain group of people during a current political crisis. To me, that is a reasonable worry. A country canāt open their doors with abandon very time there is a shitstorm in some other part of the globe.
i felt quite sad to read his apology, as it was not necessary in my opinion. He made an honest heartfelt post which was perhaps poorly phrased for an Internet forum. However, in a pub with his mates, I am sure it would have panned out very differently with a pint and a friend or two.
Hey, if he lived in France for 3 years and survived, I take my hat off! I did four years there, met a lot of good peopleā¦but man, that is hard work!!!
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Thank you Ohio Saint. Very well expressed and exactly how I feel. Iām not going to be a racist anymore. Homophobia anyone?
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So, ( 
) is Unionhotelās apology the most up voted post in the history of Papsweb? 12 likes. Pretty impressive stuff.
Including Fatsoās approbation, I note.
Nice touch.
But to your question, it could be, but Iām sure that illiterate Bear has _belch_ed up some misspelt, id est-strewn nonsense, that the slavering masses lapped up whilst unknowingly entering into a synchronised up-vote / member-stroke Ballet of the Bear.
Prolly.