I think it did too, Bear.
Like I said, I think Iām probably being oversensitive.
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How so, fat stuff?
Harsh Fatso. I disagree. I find conversations like this on The Other Place hugely depressing.
Whereas, when I read Unionhotelās message, Iām just picking up a lot fear from someone who Iām assuming is an older generation. Big difference I reckon. Times have changed, thank god.
Donāt agree with what heās saying on any level, so great to see a Papsweb critique.
Thought the put downs were nicely original.
Now Barry on the other handā¦
Edit: for clarity, my disagreeing with Fatso was for his view on Papsweb, not for his disgust at Unionhotels comments.
Originally posted by @Bearsy
Well I donāt want to shit words into papā papās earholes, or whatever it was, but I donāt suppose I have to, because he said what he said. He clearly holds a racist view, but then you know, maybe he credits us with the faculties to understand that racist is not a synonym for evil
Bearsy, you scare me when you go into serious mode.
Donāt want to be a pedant but Iām sure it ends with āazā rather than āers.ā cheers.
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I had a think about this overnight, but my first reaction stands. Itās one thing to debate with an avowed racist on a forum. Itās quite another to participate in a forum where a parent of the forum owner comes out and baldly declares his enthusiasm for racism as a solver of all perceived problems.
Iām not going to get into an argument about the horrors that have preceded with views like that once theyāve become endemic.
But equally what I canāt do is let this pass. Out of respect for pap, who has done a wonderful job is setting up this site, and whoās been an excellent and welcoming host, I canāt really get into a row with his own dad. However, out of love and respect for my wife, whoās south Asian and my son whoās (therefore) mixed race, I can no longer be here.
Iāve really enjoyed posting here. Thanks to you all for being such engaging, funny, and quite lovely people (even you, Bazza!).
Furball xx
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yeah yeah furball, you just want to be the first papsweb Good Posters Who Donāt Post Here Anymore And You Can See Why
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Iām tempted to join him, to be honest.
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Thanks Furball, donāt leave though, always a shame when a debate gets reduced.
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Originally posted by @Fatso
Iām tempted to join him, to be honest.
I think I might be racist too, would that help?
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I feel bit guilty. I was finding the idea of papās pap coming on here and starting a race war pretty funny, but now bros are getting taken out in friendly fire!
Meh, I go away for eight hours and this is what happens.
Having spent years socialising with the old fella, I donāt really agree with his assessment that heās a racist. He might think he is. Who knows? Maybe when I disappear off to wherever, he remembers that heās not talking to a multi-racial mutt and whips the Combat 18 paraphenalia out, or Nazi drapes unfurl from the ceiling and roll to the floor.
If he is a racist, heās a pretty shit one. He married my old dear for one; her name aināt Sarah. Heās also missed every opportunity to mould me into someone who cuts eyes into pillowcases. Quite why he took me to Madame Tussauds when we could have started a race war in pre-gentrified Brixton is now beyond me. The three years he spent living in France, speaking French and living like a fucking Frenchman must have been hell.
My suspicion is heās either being deliberately provocative (he has also claimed to be the āmost selfish man in the worldā - he isnāt) or at worst, is simply of the mind that when you move to a different culture, you should be prepared to work for it, and within its existing cultural setup. That might be complete bollocks though, and Iām sure heāll tell me if it is.
Iād like to address Fatsoās point about what this means for the forum. One of the things that many of us didnāt enjoy about the old place was the phenomenon of playing the man instead of the post. For the most part, Fatso plays the post, and does it well. The part where people get called cunts or harbingers of doom for the forum? Not so much. I donāt agree with unionhotel on his points, but can we honestly say the thread is worse for them being made? Racism, whether we liberal elite types consider it or not, is a part of the European Union conundrum. Itās essentially what Farage and co campaigned on, and they got around 4 million votes.
As for the forum itself propagating racist views, it wonāt happen while bletch and I are in charge, but at the same time, and I think this thread shows that - weāre trying to be smart enough to view things in context.
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Oh it is funny Bear, very funny. People leaving just because one poster admits that he is racist.
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Aināt one side of papās family from Bangladesh or something? I should keep better notes. Just thinking it will add a bit of spice at my fictional pap family Christmas Dinner, when old Pete has had one too many, and starts breaking out the UKIP material.
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Good post Pap. The comment from unionhotel IMO has been taken out of context.
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So.
One thing always missing when one talks of Immigration is Respect. We should Respect the rights of Immigrants to their own beliefs and culture. What often gets forgotten, especially by the āEquality Industryā is that Respect should be two ways.
We see it down here Little Englanders who insist on their rights to wear see through Negligees to the Shopping Mall in Ramadan (Idiots) and we see it in the UK and other areas with communities wishing to impose Sharia Law.
Much of the trouble we now see with Daāeesh is from Europeans who do not Respect the cultures and countries that have given them a home. They leave and should NEVER be allowed back.
Then you get the Poles, who come in and just kind of get on with stuff, opening too many bloody deliās and mending your plumbing 24x7 at competitive prices (but then get moaned at for taking jobs that the UK doesnāt train people to do anyways)
So. Is it Racist to insist that a Mosque is closed down for preaching hatred? for showing a lack of Respect to the Culture of the Country? Kuwait is this week facing an identical issue. They āavoided cultural conflictā and some idiots blew it up.
Daāeesh are THE single most Racist & Culturally intolerant people in existence, yet the BBC doesnāt want to Disrespect them so calls them IS.
Immigrants in ANY Nation and ANY Culture should Respect the customs Religions and culture of the country they live in. If they donāt they should be kicked out.
The Citizens of a country should Respect the Culture customs and Religions of their Immigrants or they should be jailed.
Diwali, Eid, Christmas, Ramadan Orthodox Christmas & Easter should be celebrsated by everyone.
Oh and of course every one of them should be a Public Holiday 
It should be to the eternal SHAME of the entire Race Relations Industry that people like Union Hotel express such fears that the UK could become an Islamic State.
(Mind you that is their declared objective but the War on Islamic expansion is another issue)
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Phil, have you not read the āthings that annoy youā thread? Itās bad enough when speaking to start a sentence with So, but to actually type it!!! You are making me very angry. 
Of course this is a forum one should aim to create maximum impact or you end up just posting āHello Iām Here, please upvote me I need the pointsā garbage like Tokes.
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Politics/relegion = internet minefield. Play nicely now people.
Fair doās pap. Good response. And youāre right, I feel bad about calling your dad a cunt. Iām sure heās not a cunt. I just had high hopes for this place as being different to the other foitball sites. Iām tired of debating racism or immigration with people on saints boards. It never ends well and people never change their minds. Itās pointless and it makes me angry. I was hoping that this place wonāt see these sorry of pointless debates. If I wanted to listen to ill informed nonsense I could post on swf. Nobby finds it funny that verbal has left because just one person admitted to being racist and I said I was considering leaving as well. Thereās nothing funny about that. Some people might like to discuss racism on the internet. Iām just very bored of it and just want a board where people can talk about football and bollocks. Otherwise this board is no different to any others, and the rest of them are shit.
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