The Government would have to ratify and offer the vote, they may have to irrespective of what they want.
Indeed they would, but how would it stack up if the Government denied a majority vote?.. after a tiny majority was enough to trigger Brexit despite it being a non-binding vote? This is the thing with setting precedents in a ‘democratic’ society.
So in the same week they’re talking about a wildcat referendum, they’re also the slowest nation in the UK to vaccinate.
It is yet another “would this have been handled better if the SNP’s focus was on governing?”
They wouldn’t be denied it, even the SNP would be clued up enough to make sure its binding before without any strings, I firmly believe the Scotland should and must have the right to decide its future, irrespective of whether I believe its good for Scotland or not, I am a democrat first and foremost, not like some of the cunts in the EU not wanting to give nations and parts a vote on their say.
I also believe the Scots won’t vote for independence but I do however believe they would vote to rejoin the EU, there are so many issues and discussion points on those two things alone
Sterling
Border
Commonweath
EU membership
Defence
Orkneys and Shetland
When these are discussed again at length I think Scotland will pull back from it but if it doesn’t it’ll be a disaster but I genuinely wish them all the best.
Would the EU have them? They are a long way from meeting the usual convergence criteria
True, but perhaps not the full point. Most folks up here are realists and know it would not be an instant membership- maybe 5-8 years at best. But the opportunity to take that decision as an independent nation (or not) is all they want. I think the the 63% v 37% in Scotland versus a 52 /48 shows there is a big difference in attitude to the EU north of Berwick.
Naturally you could say different counties in England or even age groups or controversially ‘education levels’ if going by the demographic voting data, but it is quite significant compared to say the Welsh.
Its interesting, that one of campaign messages of the indy ref YES team was about choice as opposed to streets of gold… there were no guarantees of social or economic miracles or even change… just about what it represented. Compare that to Brexit promises…
The Scottish education system that was good due to smaller class size, the Barnett formula and subsidization from South of the border thats now shite?
This may be the reason the numbers are quite like they are, desperate to leave one Union and join another, a worse Union as well, Spain won’t allow it on many reasons and what currency do you have?
Pie in the sky.
An interesting question. Would they we treated favourably as a previous member or would they be treated as a new applicant? As you say, could they meet the criteria or would an exception be made under exceptional circumstances? Hmmm
The Union Jack would also look a bit different if they were to go!
The Union Flag would incorporate the Welsh one or simply carry on the wind up the Scots.
They would be treated as a new applicant, this was stated before the previous independence referendum, they also would get in as it stands.
They can get to fuck using sterling.
Also the Scots would have to have the Euro as their formal currency if they joined, the Scots are against this, first row, if they asked for opt outs at the start they get told to get to fuck.
What money are they going to use?
They can either start their own central bank and currency, or will have to adopt someone else’s. Either way is risk-laden.
Any rating their bank gets will be in part, based on the anticipated competence of those running the place.
Those running the place have had more money per capita than the rest of the country, autonomy on a range of policy areas and it is in those policy areas they’ve done worse.
If they take someone else’s currency they’re a banana republic without the bananas.
It’s my understanding that any new applicants to the EU MUST take take the Euro as their currency, that would include the UK if it should ever, heaven forbid, re-join.
It is interesting to remember a couple of things:
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A key defence form Brexiteers during the ref campaign towards project ‘fear’ was that there might even be some economic hardships, but that this was a small price to pay for sovereignty…
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ironically this is now being used by those against Scottish independence as a reason not to leave
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The Scots know very well that any decision to leave would come with those high risks and challenges The YES argument, as previously mentioned, acknowledged this
The question is not IF there will be any difficulties, but whether they have the stomach to face them and believe the benefits are worth it. Remember, the best two argument for Scottish independence in the last 40 years have been Thatcher, Boris the embarrassing incompetent clown… and Brexit. Enough to drive many away from Westminster.
An independent Scotland, would likely see a relatively rapid return to a Labour Government that is pro EU, given how across the UK approx 63% of labour voters also voted Remain, which was mirrored across all parties in Scotland (too few Tories to count)
Only 1/5 Scots believe if independent they should take up the Euro?
What would be their interim currency?
80% don’t want the Euro.
Its wishy washy idealism politics on the back of a fag packet.
Who’ll pay for their military?
NATO?
Fishing rights?
NHS?
England will be stronger alone than in a union financially
So you’re saying the SNP is a one trick pony?
Yep, correct. Give it a few hundred years though and we will a using Cubits globally anyway…
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I have several scots friends that do not like the SNP, that does not mean they are necessarily for or against independence. They do however raise the thought that as their MP’s vote on all things at Westminster, shouldn’t the whole of the UK vote on the issue of Scottish Independence as to some extent it would affect all?
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What has twat got to do with anything?
Are you linking him with Sturgeon?
Ah the West Lothian question, there is a case for EVEL but the nationalist Scots would moan about that.