Basically it is “tax and spend” writ large.
I think it might be a harder sell than you think.
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I though this was a good synopsis
@JoeTwymanOn party manifestos: You might like sound of some things on the menu, but if you don’t like the look of the restaurant you’ll eat elsewhere.
11:09 PM - 15 May 2017
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Or, like me, being very British, if someone tells me they are voting Tory I smile sweetly and call them a twat behind their back as they walk away? 
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I’m picturing a craft beer, Something with strawberry or passion fruit in it. Or a nice G&T with a seaweed tonic. Or maybe just sitting in a restaurant, enjoying a refreshing bowl of cornflakes.
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That sounds an Interest job. I would like to do that, just to see how it works.
I wonder if the pollsters are completely reliable? Is there much Auditting? If I was doing it, I’d have tendency to mark down people on the side I want, no matter what the cunts actually say. “Oh, think ur voting Tory do you? I don’t think so! Another vote for Corbyn!”
It’d be quite natural to do that, if you think about it. And if phone monkeys tend more to be idealogical young lefty remainers, like you seem to suggest, it would explain why Labours & Remains does more better in polls, than in actual Elections.
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My guess is that’s probably because the further you get “outside of the political bubble of online discussions, Twitter, the Guardian and so on”, the closer you get to people who only get their news from one source, usually the BBC or the tabloid press, so they’re more likely to have gone for the ‘strong and stable’ marketing ploy.
Although I am sure I have been labelled a “leftie” by Lord Duckie, I have never voted Labour in my life. I read this post on FB just now and this is the reason I might well do in this election…
I don’t think Corbyn’s the best leader ever. I appreciate that he’s not the best at appealing to a lot of demographics. he’s crap with soundbites; not good at s…peaking straight to camera. Better in real situations with real people. I appreciate that he’s not got a great deal of, what would you call it, zing. I don’t agree with him on everything by any means.
Still, you know something I know? If Labour lose the election, Jeremy Corbyn will probably go back to being a local MP. He’ll carry on holding speakers up for people at meetings, and helping people with their chairs, and thanking people for making the sandwiches. He’ll carry on having talks and doing constituency surgeries and attending debates and asking questions and campaigning on various issues and staying behind to carry on talking about stuff with ordinary people after the event’s finished. If he weren’t the leader now, he’d be campaigning on behalf of the party. He’d be standing at the back helping.
He’s not going to swan off to a career of after-dinner speaking and corporate events and non-executive directorships and consultancies. He’s not going to edit the Evening Standard. It’s not his personal ambition that’s brought him here.
he wasn’t ever that keen on being a leader. The only reason he stood when he did was that, to paraphrase another Labour front-bencher, every other remaining left-wing MP in the party had already stood as the token socialist candidate in a previous leadership election, and it was basically his turn.
And here’s the thing: his apparent lack of charisma notwithstanding (and what is this charisma that apparently Tim Farron and Theresa May possess? It’s like nothing I’ve ever seen described using that term before), he’s the exact opposite of what everyone seems to agree they’re sick of in politicians. The meaningless soundbites and stock phrases and glib dog-whistle oversimplifications don’t sit naturally with him. He’s better at sitting down calmly and talking about things like a grown-up. He’s visibly irritated when interviewers push him to answer stupid, meaningless or leading questions, and, to me, that irritation seems remarkably restrained considering that I’d probably be unable to put up with such bollocks without flying into an expletive-laden rant. He reminds me of a Scandinavian politician, and that’s nothing but a compliment. Politicians aren’t supposed to be evangelists or salespeople; they’re supposed to be people of substance, not just a mass of superficially appealing tics, right? Right?
In short, he’s a real human person, like you get in real life, not whatever kind of thing most politicians are where you just cannot imagine them existing in any normal situation alongside real people without getting punched in the face. I’ve seen people like him, working in various capacities, usually doing something socially responsible, sometimes voluntary. They help. They support. They sympathise. They don’t usually get to the top of organisations because they’re not naturally competitive. And here he is, in a position he probably never expected to be in, and his expression is, for me, the right one: he’s grim; a touch uncertain; perhaps somewhat daunted. Quite right too. Anyone who’s not daunted by the prospect of being Prime Minister shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near the job. I want whoever leads the country to feel the responsibility as keenly as possible. The Prime Minister is the servant of millions of masters, not the master of millions of servants, as Theresa May seems to think she is. It’s a horrible job, but if nobody else is going to do it, he’ll have to. Because someone’s got to. You can’t just stand there and do nothing. You have to try to help; to do what you can. That’s what he’s like. And if the election’s lost as the last two were, he’ll go back to helping in whatever other ways are available. And if he loses his seat (which he won’t), he’ll go and try to help somewhere else.
The fact that this man is considered unelectable when the alternatives are as they are is itself an indictment of our society.
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When I was getting Towed Home by AA Man on Friday night (after wait 4 hours for him to arrive, and then he could only take me halfway, and then another AA man had to take me rest of way rip) I bought a Private Eye to read so I wouldn’t have to Talk On Him, and they was mention that Corbyn stole the “For The Many Not The Few” gag from Lionel Blair. I thought that was Quite Interest, but the aa man Did Not.
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1. Nationalise the water industry
Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell confirmed this morning Labour wants to bring the industry into public ownership - a policy which didn’t appear in last week’s leaked draft manifesto. But the pledge is not accounted for in the party’s list of costings. McDonnell told the BBC Labour would ‘look at how this could be done’ and said one option would be to buy the firms outright - but did not want to set a price as it would be ‘commerically sensitive’.
2. Tougher stance on immigration
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As HuffPost UK reported last week, the draft manifesto was amended following a crunch meeting to make sure the party’s message on immigration was clear. The final version says freedom of movement will end under a Labour government once the UK leaves the EU and ‘fair’ immigration rules will be developed.
3. A review of welfare cuts
The party has pledged an extra £2bn to hold a ‘review’ of cuts to Universal Credit and ‘how best to reverse them’.
4. University tuition fees scrapped
Getting rid of university tuition fees first introduced under Tony Blair in the late-1990s. By contrast, Miliband campaigned to slash tuition fees in England from £9,000 to £6,000 a year. But Corbyn’s plans have not been universally welcomed by young people, as our HuffPost Edelman focus group showed.
5. £37bn for the NHS
Under Corbyn, the NHS could get £6bn a year so it’s “properly funded” and will receive £37bn by the end of the next parliament. The money would be raised with new taxes on those earning over £80,000, increases in corporation tax and hikes in private medical insurance taxes. Under Miliband in 2015, Labour promised an extra £2.5bn a year for the NHS.
6. New ‘publicly-owned start-up’ energy firms
This would allow state-owned ‘challengers’ to privatised energy firms, which will be allowed to continue - a step back from re-nationalising energy companies completely, which was floated by Corbyn in his 2015 leadership pitch. The party says it will also introduce an immediate emergency price cap to make sure dual-fuel bills don’t cost more than £1,000 a year.
7. Tax on firms with highly-paid staff
A new levy will be placed on companies “with high numbers of staff on very high pay”.
8. Increase in free childcare
A pledge of £5bn to create a universal childcare service for every family in Britain - extending the 30 hours a week offered to working parents to every family, regardless of their circumstaces. Maternity pay would also be extended to 12 months.
9. Rape clause scrapped to create a universal childcare service for every family in Britain
The so-called “rape clause” - asking new mothers who have been raped for verification if they wish to claim tax credits for more than two children - will be ended immediately. The legislation was only introduced this year and has been highly criticised.
Yeah. I looked at that as well. Nice package, but the Company Car was a Vauxhall.
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Are you saying that by 2015 you didn’t know what they were doing to the disabled?
Some musings
Corporation tax is going to increase by 7% which is going to raise a fuck ton of tax revenue, however…
minimum wages to rise to £10 which represents a 30% increase, and will push up wages across the board.
Increase wages cost will either result in a reduction of profit and therefore less tax take or business when faced with significant rising wage costs will look to reduce head count, therefore greater unemployed.
Whatever happens, I don’t think the number they have got down for tax generated through corporation tax rises is going to materialise.
Also there is a couple of hundred billion of investment in there which they will borrow (nationalising water alone will cost £70bn unless they just steal it) - Assuming interest at 2% of 25 years that is another £15bn to find each year
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anyone who votes conservative is basically agreeing with everything that Jimmy Saville did.
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Good stuff, I shall remember this when I am murdering the disabled whilst dressed in my gestapo outfit.
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How is this going to help our negotiating position with Europe?
- Offering an immediate guarantee about the status of EU nationals in the UK
- Refusing to leave the EU with no deal in place
Main rate is now 19%, was 28% in 2010(started dropping in 2011), so back to the April 2011 figure(2%less than 2010). Nothing to complain about(if we have austerity, everyone should be paying).
Why do wages have to go up across the board, just because the worse off get a pay rise? That’s surely just greed. Didn’t see the rich demanding the poor get more, as their own wealth has risen. (not saying it won’t happen and i would like to see some figures for both arguments).
Correct, and with greater unemployment will come a drop in wages across the board due to Labour supply.
So, the 5 year plan will increase a ride in wages for the low paid, but with less people being employed, as well as a drop in wages for everyone else, well, I say everyone else, but for the many, not the few.
The thing a lot of people don’t understand is that the minimum wage is not just an arbitrary figure plucked out the air, there’s a lot of statistical and economic modelling that goes into it. Perhaps the Labour party should have studied some econometrics whilst at University (I’m making an assumption they did go to University, although I’d assume Diane Abbott didn’t).
It will. this is how it will go
My accounts junior gets a payrise to £10 /hr from £7.50
My purchase ledgerclerk who has 4 year experience and is currently earning £11 /hr will say hang on, I am much more critical than the accounts junior- I am certainly worth more than a £1 ph more - I want a pay rise - so i have to give them a rise to £14ph
Now the assistant management accountant chirps up - I m part qualified and have far more responsibility and you are now paying me the same as a purchase ledger clerk - pony up - So they get £18ph
And so on
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