The lack of divorce in the British Muslim population is just another damning example of their unwillingness to integrate culturally.
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You would have struggled with that if you were a Catholic too up until a few years back. Even the Queen’s sister wasnt allowed to marry the man she loved because he had been married before, Most kids now it seems come from broken families, would you say that was a good thing?
Are they?
Yes and I’m no friend of Catholicism either and I should be one, this isn’t about faith (we can make it that but faith and culture are two distinct things) but culture, the Catholic faith for measure nestled up to the Nazis, helped spread aids and has kept millions in pain and suffering since its inception.
Your point is a race to the bottom though and moot.
What do you class as integration?
Crimes against the population will always happen unfortunately, crimes against people due to culture shouldn’t huge difference and don’t confuse the two.
Nonsense
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Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
Originally posted by @Sadoldgit
You would have struggled with that if you were a Catholic too up until a few years back. Even the Queen’s sister wasnt allowed to marry the man she loved because he had been married before, Most kids now it seems come from broken families, would you say that was a good thing?
What do you class as integration?
If the people are abiding by the laws of the land, what exactly is the problem? Why are you so hung up on "integration? Do these people you seem to have a problem with travel on special forms of public transport? Do they breath different air? Do they pay their taxes to a different treasury? You you prefer that any one of a different culture, if they go and live in Yorkshire, wear flat caps, own whippets and eat tripe and onions? Should they all pop round for tea and cake in the afternoons? You go to any major city in the world and you will find a Chinatown. You will probably find an Italian sector too. The bastards, why are they not “integrating!” As has been pointed out, the ex Pat Brits in Spain often live in their own enclaves. Do you have an issue with them too? Points have about how assimilation takes time. Not just here but everywhere. It happens in some places faster than others and it happens in different forms. It seems to me that most people like diversity and encourage it. When I was a kid growing up the only place to get take away food was the chippy. Now we have Thai, Indian, Chinese, Mexican etc etc. Is it really a bad thing that our children mix with people of different belief systems, different backgrounds? I cant even believe I having this debate in this day and age. You just pick out the stuff that is bad and completely ignore the many, many postives that living in a muti-cultural society brings - which is why I make the point about how imperfect our own home grown society is and why we can learn a great deal from immigrates and immigration.
There is no difference at all. Murder is murder. Rape is rape. If you are saying that one type of crime is worse than other just because it has a cultural implication, you are not just a borderline rascist, you are full on.
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Alright Opie!
Just to clarify, that was a joke.
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Culture, faith, whatever. We are talking about the way people live their lives and how they conduct themselves in the society in which they live. Faith and culture are interlinked in many ways. You single out a certain faith/culture, or you seem to the way I read your posts. If you have wider issues why do you constantly focus on what seems to be just one specific area?
I suggest you study law if you think all murder is murder, for a start a cultural murder implies premeditation? What about euthanasia?
Lady Justice is blind, and you worked for the CPS?
If you believe all crimes are sanctioned with the same tariff you’re not only wrong you were in the wrong job.
I’ll say it again murder isn’t just murder, Jesus wept.
Cherts and Barry be like
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Your well intentioned naivety is outstanding, what is positive about 1700 apartheid? We say we’re integrated but truly are we? We don’t have the same customs on arranged marriage, fgm, dowry, clothing, freedoms and we simply ignore it as its gone on for too long, its not racist in the slightest to question these practices but it is negligent and harmful not to question them and confront them as we’ll let down further generations.
Throwing the racist cards is tired , wrong and frankly offensive.
But it is just that. In a court of law the prosecution has to prove intent. If there is no intent then you are looking at a different charge. Manslaughter.
Murder comprimes of two fundamental elements:
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Actus Reus
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Mens Rea
Actus Reus is the physical action.
Mens Rea is the mental part, and the intention of doing something that consitutes a crime (or part of).
If both elements aren’t present, then it is not murder.
Originally posted by @Sadoldgit
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
Originally posted by @Sadoldgit
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
Originally posted by @TheMightyOstrich
Originally posted by @Sadoldgit
But they still happen Bazza. Anyway, back to you earlier point about arranged marriages (I cant be bothered to copy the quote again as it is so long). You are right. I wouldnt want an arranged marriage and I would want that for my children. However, arranged marriages are not against the law and I believe that many end up happier than those not arranged given the divorce rate in the West, so who am I (or you) to say they should not happen? Now, if you had used throwing gay people off roofs, then yes, I would agree with you that shouldnt happen. Just I would agree that murder,rape etc should happen. I worked for the CPS for 8 years. Do you know what? Not once did I have to deal with a gay person being thrown off a roof by irate Muslims. Yes, very occasionally there would be a case that involved “cultural differences” between or involving Muslims, but not very often. Yet every day I would have to deal with cases committed by the indigenous population ranging from murder and rape down to assault and theft. I covered Kent. The caseloads were so high we couldnt deal with them as effectively as we should have been able to. That was just Kent. It was the same across the rest of the country. The simple fact is you are more likely to have a crime committed against you than by an indigenous person rather than a Mulsim or another immigrant. Yet you spend hours every day telling us about this supposed threat from within. The threat from within comes from anti-social individuals, not “foreign cultures.” Ok, you will quote your survey again. I think we are all aware that there are issues in some aread regarding integration but if you look at most big towns and cities, people of all different races and creeds get on with life and each other without any major problems. The real problems we face concern the anti social behaviour of certain members of our society who feel like they can live and operate outside of the social contract that most of us sign up to.
The lack of divorce in the British Muslim population is just another damning example of their unwillingness to integrate culturally.
Crimes against the population will always happen unfortunately, crimes against people due to culture shouldn’t huge difference and don’t confuse the two.
There is no difference at all. Murder is murder. Rape is rape. If you are saying that one type of crime is worse than other just because it has a cultural implication, you are not just a borderline rascist, you are full on.
I suggest you study law if you think all murder is murder, for a start a cultural murder implies premeditation? What about euthanasia? Lady Justice is blind, and you worked for the CPS? If you believe all crimes are sanctioned with the same tariff you’re not only wrong you were in the wrong job. I’ll say it again murder isn’t just murder, Jesus wept.
But it is just that. In a court of law the prosecution has to prove intent. If there is no intent then you are looking at a different charge. Manslaughter. If premeditated you can add conspiracy. Euthanasia is something completely different.
You say murder is murder when there are different tariffs available, you’re wrong.
You’re wrong so lets move on murder isn’t murder for all as there would be the same tariff? You understand there are different tariffs and judges discretion? Hence I stated euthanasia as an example.
In short you’re wrong lets move on.