I’m not concerned about having a row on the forum but I’m concerned about Mr Git working for the CPS.
Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
You say murder is murder when there are different tariffs available, you’re wrong. You’re wrong so lets move on murder isn’t murder for all as there would be the same tariff? You understand there are different tariffs and judges discretion? Hence I stated euthanasia as an example. In short you’re wrong lets move on.
Not true, there are many different types of Euthanasia, including some which are classed as murder and carries the same tariffs.
The example you’re using is like saying death by dangerous driving is the same as murder but carries a diferent tariff.
I’m saying murder isn’t murder is the sense of one tariff serves all.
And you’re correct there are many types of euthanasia hence the judge would use his discretion and previous examples and precedence, not a one size fits all.
Cherts read what I wrote, read what Mr Git wrote and then comment. Do you disagree with what I wrote or just writing to invoke argument or split hairs to try to find a way to differ?
There is NO distinction for a honour killing if that is what you are trying to say. The accused will be tried for murder. Other charges could be included but as I say, murder is murder. The tariff you talk about deals with sentencing in which various factors can come into play such as aggravating or mitigating circumstances. Death by dangerous or death by careless driving deal with RTAs. Euthanasia is a different area. As you know, it is legal in some countries. I couldnt say this for sure but I assume murder is illegal everywhere.
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
I’m not concerned about having a row on the forum but I’m concerned about Mr Git working for the CPS.
As I would be worried about you working for the UK Border Agency Barry!
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Your talking about a charge not a sentence, if they were the same why would they receive differing sentences and why the need for a judge to sentence? A Diplock system as such?
I am actually quite confused as to what you are writing. I’m just trying to ensure that we aren’t incorrectly explaining the law.
What is your point? Murder is murder. It carries a sentence of life but with a minimum number of years set, again through the framework of the offence.
What is your point about Euthanasia?
Correct.
Of course I am talking about a charge. If the CPS believe you have committed murder you will be CHARGED with murder. You will not be charged with a honour killing, if that is what happened. The tariff that you talk about concerns the sentence and sentences are decided on what are raised as aggravating or mitigating circumstances. I say again, murder is murder when it concerns a legal charge in this country.
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Euthanaia and assisted suicide can be classed as murder, my point.
The charge may be murder but the tariff will be difference so murder isn’t simply murder as they’re all different and carry different sentences.
You can’t glibly throw them all together, Jesus imagine if your case was treated with no discretion hence Lady Justice is blind and the old saying is Justice is blind.
Originally posted by @Sadoldgit
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
Originally posted by @Sadoldgit
There is NO distinction for a honour killing if that is what you are trying to say. The accused will be tried for murder. Other charges could be included but as I say, murder is murder. The tariff you talk about deals with sentencing in which various factors can come into play such as aggravating or mitigating circumstances. Death by dangerous or death by careless driving deal with RTAs. Euthanasia is a different area. As you know, it is legal in some countries. I couldnt say this for sure but I assume murder is illegal everywhere.
Your talking about a charge not a sentence, if they were the same why would they receive differing sentences and why the need for a judge to sentence? A Diplock system as such?
Of course I am talking about a charge. If the CPS believe you have committed murder you will be CHARGED with murder. You will not be cahrged with a honour killing, if that is what happened. The tariff that you talk about concerns the sentence and sentences are decided on what are raised as aggravting or mitigating circumstances. I say again, murder is murder when it concerns a legal charge in this country.
You should have said when charged not sentenced as murder is not murder as there would be one sentence, you bring the charge that’s all the judge sentences and he obviously doesn’t give the same sentences for the same charge so therefore (drumroll please) murder isn’t just murder.
Its not a one size fits all anymore and thank Christ for that.
As I have said all along, if you take a life you will be charged with murder (or manslaughter, depending on the circumstances). You will not be charged with a honour killing, if that is the case. You will be charged with murder. Do you agree?
No it can’t be classed as murder. Assisted suicide is a different charge. Euthanasia isn’t a charge, it is divided down into a number of different types of euthanasia. If they believe that something that looked like Euthanasia was murder, they’d charge the person with murder.
We’re having a proper debate here Barry, rather than name-calling which is good, but Barry, you’re wrong on this one.
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The sentence is life for murder. What you’re talking about is the minimum years to be served which is again set against a framework of whether the defendent carried a knife, had murdered before etc etc.
And my point is after being charged with murder their tariff would be different from others, all crimes are treated on a case by case basis.
My point, and with that you can find others to points to argue but not for me, I’ve made my case and point and I’m out on murder is murder.
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Euthanasiaandassistedsuicide/Pages/Introduction.aspx
Euthanasia can be classified in different ways, including:
- active euthanasia – where a person deliberately intervenes to end someone’s life – for example, by injecting them with a large dose of sedatives
- passive euthanasia – where a person causes death by withholding or withdrawing treatment that is necessary to maintain life, such as withholding antibiotics from someone with pneumonia
Euthanasia can also be classified as:
- voluntary euthanasia – where a person makes a conscious decision to die and asks for help to do this
- non-voluntary euthanasia – where a person is unable to give their consent (for example, because they are in a coma or are severely brain damaged) and another person takes the decision on their behalf, often because the ill person previously expressed a wish for their life to be ended in such circumstances
- involuntary euthanasia – where a person is killed against their expressed wishes
Depending on the circumstances, voluntary and non-voluntary euthanasia could be regarded as either voluntary manslaughter (where someone kills another person, but circumstances can partly justify their actions) or murder.
Involuntary euthanasia is almost always regarded as murder.
Barry, what is your point? All you’ve done is posted something that backs up my point?
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
And my point is after being charged with murder their tariff would be different from others, all crimes are treated on a case by case basis. My point, and with that you can find others to points to argue but not for me, I’ve made my case and point and I’m out on murder is murder.
Against what other charges?
An honour killing, where someone has taken a knife to someone’s throat would carry the same sentence as someone taking a knife into a club and stabbing someone.
Here we go splitting hairs to try to prove a point, Cherts,
Legal position
Both active euthanasia and assisted suicide are illegal under English law.
Depending on the circumstances, euthanasia is regarded as either manslaughter or murder and is punishable by law, with a maximum penalty of up to life imprisonment.
Assisted suicide is illegal under the terms of the Suicide Act (1961) and is punishable by up to 14 years’ imprisonment. Attempting to kill yourself is not a criminal act in itself.
This is good as it further proves my point of a case by case basis, accept and move on Cherts.
Murder isn’t just murder.
Barry “silk” Sanchez.