No fires to stoke. I didnt ask but it did come up in conversation.
Curiosity, how do you know he is Muslim?
He was ticking.
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But Sad Old Git started it by telling us all that his barber was a Muslim. Why on earth shouldn’t Barry respond by saying that his barber was a Christian? What is wrong with you? As i have made clear before i have no dog in this fight, but you are clearly baiting Barry. Pretty childish to be honest. Why didn’t anyone challenge Sad Old Git when he said that he had his hair cut by a Muslim? Political correctness? Although i will respect Barry’s right to hold the opinions he does, even though my view of the world is the polar opposite, i have to say he is getting a raw deal here. Sadly the supporters on here of CS would appear to be quite happy to excuse the disgusting statement that a man who has just celebrated the birth of his son ,“Touches children for pleasure and is a fucking nonce”, as a bit of a laugh. Shame on you. If it was me Barry, i would have consulted a lawyer by now. This is a PUBLIC forum, a line was crossed, presumably people know who you are, maybe have met you? That was gross libel. Fair play to you if you are prepared to let it go, i have never met you but it shows that you are a better man than most. Fuck me, i joined this forum a few months ago because i am a Saints fan, in my naivety i thought is was a Saints football forum, and was pleasantly surprised to see there was a bit of politics etc, thrown in. Robust debate, nothing wrong with that at all. But fuck me, to see someone making that statement about a fellow poster, and to see all his mates trying to defend /justify it as “banter” is fucking depressing.Didn’t someone post earlier that the accusation of “touching children for pleasure” was " a bit silly", and might be offensive? I forget who it was, but fuck me, how old is he, fifteen?
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Do you not read the posts you are replying to?
Should have worded it better sorry, how did that come about.
Originally posted by @Nottarf-Krap
Didn’t someone post earlier that the accusation of “touching children for pleasure” was " a bit silly", and might be offensive? I forget who it was, but fuck me, how old is he, fifteen?
I think you might be referring to me. This is my post:
well, lets be frank here. He wrote something very silly and probably offensiv e and then refused to apologise, back down and even went as far as to suggest he would keep doing it until he got his own way. He was acting like a cock. I think acting like a prick occasionally is fine but he knew he was.doing it and said he would continue to do it. Well, in that case he certainly needed a time out and f he cant change then maybe its not a bad thing that he posts elsewhere. I’m hoping this is just one of his hissy/sissy fits and that he sees the error of his ways and comes back after acknowledging that he’s been an arsehole.
If this is the post you are referring to, then if you look, I do say that he shouldn’t post here again. And I did say it was VERY silly, not just a bit.
i have from the out set said that what he wrote was out of order. I haven’t defended anything that he said. Equally, I’m not so disgusted by it that I think Barry should sue Pap or Chertsey. The reputation of Barry Sanchez has not been damaged by the post. Besides, Barry Sanchez is not his real name. If anything the character of Barry Sanchez will have to live with the repercussions of the accusation, but that shouldn’t be a problem given that EVERYONE knows it’s bollocks.
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I’d just like to point out I’m not a mate of Chertsey Saint. He’s a snivelling Tory scumbag.
And suing for libel? Get a grip - it’s an anonymous Internet forum. An accusation such as that made by CS got the contempt it deserved from everyone on here.
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As an interesting sidenote my mother visited over the last few days and gave me some possesions, of them was my invititation to work at a chambers in Temple as a Barristers Clerk, takes me back.
That doesn’t give carte blanche to accusation though and that has to be acknowledged, just because a nom de guerre is used doesn’t mean restraint should ever be relaxed on outrageous slander.
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It didn’t really but we all see things differently and explain them so.
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But I’ll add Pap, Fatso and Steve in the Woods were quck to react, go on read it again as it happened.
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Baiting Barry? Possibly
Being childish? Probably
Excusing CS for going to far? Preposterous
Originally posted by @Nottarf-Krap
Originally posted by @Saint-or-sinner
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
Originally posted by @Sadoldgit
I had my haircut by a Muslim last week (hair…not throat, note) and he asked me what I was doing for Christmas and wished me a merry Christmas when I left. Assuming that he hasnt been taken out by IS for being too friendly with the infidel, I would say that was a nifty bit of integration.
I would say its a bloke doing his job and his faith has nothing to do with it.
Then why feel the need to tell everyone the religion of your barber? Just a bloke doing his job.
Faith has nothing to do with it, apparently. Unless it suits.
But Sad Old Git started it by telling us all that his barber was a Muslim. Why on earth shouldn’t Barry respond by saying that his barber was a Christian? What is wrong with you? As i have made clear before i have no dog in this fight, but you are clearly baiting Barry. Pretty childish to be honest. Why didn’t anyone challenge Sad Old Git when he said that he had his hair cut by a Muslim? Political correctness? Although i will respect Barry’s right to hold the opinions he does, even though my view of the world is the polar opposite, i have to say he is getting a raw deal here. Sadly the supporters on here of CS would appear to be quite happy to excuse the disgusting statement that a man who has just celebrated the birth of his son ,“Touches children for pleasure and is a fucking nonce”, as a bit of a laugh. Shame on you. If it was me Barry, i would have consulted a lawyer by now. This is a PUBLIC forum, a line was crossed, presumably people know who you are, maybe have met you? That was gross libel. Fair play to you if you are prepared to let it go, i have never met you but it shows that you are a better man than most. Fuck me, i joined this forum a few months ago because i am a Saints fan, in my naivety i thought is was a Saints football forum, and was pleasantly surprised to see there was a bit of politics etc, thrown in. Robust debate, nothing wrong with that at all. But fuck me, to see someone making that statement about a fellow poster, and to see all his mates trying to defend /justify it as “banter” is fucking depressing.Didn’t someone post earlier that the accusation of “touching children for pleasure” was " a bit silly", and might be offensive? I forget who it was, but fuck me, how old is he, fifteen?
I really don’t see it that way.
I’ve not seen anyone that I could claim was a friend of Shirty, and defended him for what he said to Barry.
What you might be seeing is a sense that people don’t agree with Barry and his posting style in general, who are giving him a hard time for being, well, Barry.
I don’t think you’re seeing people giving Barry a hard time because the support Shirty.
Just my sense of things.
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Of course its been known to myself and a few others that posts and threads I add to are only replied to in a leading way, the people that write the must think they are intelligent or original but ten a penny and also in a passive agreesive way? Come on that is so so old, be direct fair and honest but don’t gang up and then high five each other, ha ha espaecially when its an opinion and especially when its an opinion supposed to be giving the virtues of tolerance, the irony,holier than thou attitude.
Lets all get on without the snide crap, would you say it to my face? I’d respect you more if you did trust me.
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So playing the poster not the post?
Mange tout rodders, mange tout.
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Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez In one generation?
How do you know this? I think you’re presuming an awful lot there. You’re misrepresenting there, you’ve just said something but what does that mean?
Saying Merry Christmas/Happy Christmas etc doesn’t prove anything, its nice but like when Americans say have a nice day you have to take it as face value but you’re not really sure, and saying those sentiments concerning Christmas certainy doesn’t mean integration, I wish it did but they’re just words, for a start the person saying them doesn’t believe in them so he is saying as a course of manners which is lovely but means nothing and his faith doesn’t come into it surely?
I’ve been to Goa many times and celebrated Holi day but I don’t say I’ve celebrated with a Hindu I say I had a laugh with a person, same with my Jeweller who is Kasmiri and also a Muslim, he is a good bloke who is a Jeweller, I simply don’t see that in someone, if your good your good thats all that matters.
Hi Barry.
Struggling to see the meat of your post if I’m honest. I’ve had a few pints and your style isn’t easy to follow, but…
One generation?
My point here is that IF you really see mixing of blood as evidence of a more permanent and deep-reaching integration, then it is only by having inter-racial/inter-societal-banding sex that will result in the mixed-blood offspring that would satisfy your need.
That these new-born offspring are, exactly that, new-born, means that you’re going to have to wait until they get older before they can influence society or play a role within it.
Hence, I can’t reconcile your apparently contradictory statements that a) you are impatient for social integration and b) you see “mixing of blood” as the only real evidence of social integration.
As for whether saying Merry Christmas demonstrates social integration or not, well for you I understand that only the mixing of blood will demonstrate that. And so, as you patiently wait for successive generations to be born, I will be content with tiny signs that social integration is happening. One example is a Muslim barber wishing his customers “Merry Christmas”.
One example is a Muslim barber wishing his customers “Merry Christmas”.
Your example of Americans saying “Have a nice day” is false for me. If you were able to point to Americans saying “Inshallah” as a greeting, then I’d say you’d have found a close equivalent.
Having a Muslim use the term Christmas, that we’ve already learned is a contraction involving the name of the foremost Christian icon, is a recognition that, whatever their belief, they understand what needs to be said in the UK as a greeting around Christmas time.
The gentlemen was integrating himself into British culture.
In a small way, no doubt. And as we’ve already learned, not at the pace you would like to see. But a demonstration of social integration, no doubt.
BTW, why feel the need to tell us that your jeweller was a Muslim?
Was it because we are discussing social integration amongst other cultures?
If so, I can see that, just as I can see why SoG brought it up too.
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Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
Originally posted by @saintbletch
Originally posted by @Nottarf-Krap
Originally posted by @Saint-or-sinner
Originally posted by @Barry-Sanchez
Originally posted by @Sadoldgit
I had my haircut by a Muslim last week (hair…not throat, note) and he asked me what I was doing for Christmas and wished me a merry Christmas when I left. Assuming that he hasnt been taken out by IS for being too friendly with the infidel, I would say that was a nifty bit of integration.
I would say its a bloke doing his job and his faith has nothing to do with it.
Then why feel the need to tell everyone the religion of your barber? Just a bloke doing his job.
Faith has nothing to do with it, apparently. Unless it suits.
But Sad Old Git started it by telling us all that his barber was a Muslim. Why on earth shouldn’t Barry respond by saying that his barber was a Christian? What is wrong with you? As i have made clear before i have no dog in this fight, but you are clearly baiting Barry. Pretty childish to be honest. Why didn’t anyone challenge Sad Old Git when he said that he had his hair cut by a Muslim? Political correctness? Although i will respect Barry’s right to hold the opinions he does, even though my view of the world is the polar opposite, i have to say he is getting a raw deal here. Sadly the supporters on here of CS would appear to be quite happy to excuse the disgusting statement that a man who has just celebrated the birth of his son ,“Touches children for pleasure and is a fucking nonce”, as a bit of a laugh. Shame on you. If it was me Barry, i would have consulted a lawyer by now. This is a PUBLIC forum, a line was crossed, presumably people know who you are, maybe have met you? That was gross libel. Fair play to you if you are prepared to let it go, i have never met you but it shows that you are a better man than most. Fuck me, i joined this forum a few months ago because i am a Saints fan, in my naivety i thought is was a Saints football forum, and was pleasantly surprised to see there was a bit of politics etc, thrown in. Robust debate, nothing wrong with that at all. But fuck me, to see someone making that statement about a fellow poster, and to see all his mates trying to defend /justify it as “banter” is fucking depressing.Didn’t someone post earlier that the accusation of “touching children for pleasure” was " a bit silly", and might be offensive? I forget who it was, but fuck me, how old is he, fifteen?
I really don’t see it that way.
I’ve not seen anyone that I could claim was a friend of Shirty, and defended him for what he said to Barry.
What you might be seeing is a sense that people don’t agree with Barry and his posting style in general, who are giving him a hard time for being, well, Barry.
I don’t think you’re seeing people giving Barry a hard time because the support Shirty.
Just my sense of things.
So playing the poster not the post?
Perhaps.
More likely to me is that they’re playing the post made by the poster as opposed to defending the twat that called the poster a nonce.
He is, I don’t refer to him as Muslim though, I refer to him as a Jeweller and a good bloke, thats is my point I don;t define him by a religion. He always sends Christmas cards as well, funny that, thats integration isn’t it? A Kasmiri/Pakistani Muslim sending Christmas cards from an old Portugese enclave in India. Strange it has never come up when were talking as we couldnt give a shite as were good people, or try to be.