Iâd assumed that was already the case, canât understand a word theyâre saying. 
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I saw somewhere they no longer wanted to be known as âThe Nasty PartyââŚno chance of that with a hefty majority. 
And yet they were much preferred to the main opposition. Is it already like the immediate aftermath of Brexit, i.e. they only won because turkeys voted for Christmas, voters are idiots etc?
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I remain convinced that the Tories didnât win that election.
Labour lost it. Can see them losing a few more if all this identity politics shite carries on.
Theyâre making me agree, at least on one thing, with Tony Blair.
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I sympathise with your general sentiments on this, but Iâd be grateful if you could in future avoid any references to b***r.
Tia.
So they will.
Yeah, that was amusing.
It was basically the de-toxifying thing they did ahead of the 2010 general election. I donât think they gave much of a fuck afterward.
The one thing the Tories do very well is dumb down political arguments to the point where you just need a smidgen of common sense to engage with them.
Theyâre mostly hugely dishonest with the way they frame the question or the context they provide. e.g. They asked should claimants get more than ÂŁ400 per week housing benefit? The real question, of course, is why are rents in some London boroughs over ÂŁ1600 a month.
On this, should everybody resident in England be able to speak English, theyâre popularly golden.
It is a no-brainer, both from an integration and cost point of view.
Whatever some might wish, language is a barrier. Weâve had posts about scousers and Norn Iron people on here, and I feel uniquely qualified to say that in this case, the stereotypes are true.
In both places, it took me six weeks to cope with the ebbs and flows of highly accented and dialectical English. I am richer for both experiences, but it does make me wonder how people cope without being able to speak it at all, and does give me pause as to the circumstances around that.
In many cases, these folk are completely cut off, and that is not a good thing for anybody, least of all them.
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Apparently you learnt Spanish in almost as much time as this. Youâre full of little lies, you little liar.
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Absolutely thatâs what happened. As I said on here when Corbyn became leader, the Labour membership have just put BoJo into number 10 in 2020.
Even I was a year too late in my prescience.
Que te folle un pez espada
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Iâve never been fluent, but I think I had every tense bar the subjective nailed.
Still canât roll my Rs. FML.
Thank you. I already have been.
In hindsight mate, I agree.
One of Corbynâs greatest assets was also his Achilles heel.
He wasnât a cunt, at all, and I think deep down, you need to be a bit of a cunt to be a leader.
Boris Johnson sacked 21 MPs within the first few weeks of taking office and ended up with a minority government as a result. People were taking the piss out of him for losing vote after vote, but that looks like a piece of political genius now. Hindsight, init.
Speaking of which, in hindsight, Corbyn would have done far better to lay down the law quickly into his tenure. I respect him for that; he wanted to try the collegiate approach.
But he wasnât enough of a cunt, which prevented him from uniting the party into a coherent and compliant force.
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That was not covered in my textbook about donkeys, and yes, I did have to use Google translate after a 25 year break from the language.
100% agree. I always said he was âtoo niceâ - he was too good a person.
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I was not expecting that translation.
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Of course he wasnât too good a person, he is a raging anti-semite, a racist even though he has spent the last 30 years in parliament fighting racism, sticking up for the under privileged, the dispossessed, putting his head above the parapet to champion the cause of the underclasses who are consistently ignored by our elected politicians, no matter how unpopular this makes him with the powers that be. He is clearly in the pay of Russia, a Czech spy no less, etc etc etc.
Anyone else noticed how suddenly, now the election is done and dusted, anti-semitism, and the Labour Party being riddled with it has disappeared from the headlines of our wonderful free press after three years of being bombarded with it on a daily basis? Perhaps itâs just me! The Board of Deputyâs have been strangely quiet. And people wonder why some of us regard the average voter as being a bit thick!
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Unfortunately, due to all the prospective leaders kowtowing to the BoD, whoever wins the Labour party election will be a puppet.
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And what was his response to all these charges?
Corbyn hid, at a time when several members of this forum have been both strident and fair in their analysis of the situation.
I know we benefit from obscurity, and can perhaps be braver as a result of that, but it does strike me as odd that others can do a better job of defending Corbyn than Corbyn himself.
I will not deny that the collective hatchet job on Corbyn has been immense. It is a huge credit to the man that he has emerged from this with any kind of sanity.
That all said, there were very clear and justifiable opportunities to nip this in the bud. Trunp had almost the entire traditional media against him, but social media working for him.
Youâve got to admire the long-game and adaptability of the extreme centrists in Labour though. Their final plan, to pretend they were all on-board before poisoning the well was genius if you donât care overmuch about the fortunes of people.