Barry, I have refrained from commenting on your integration thread, although I have read many of the posts there.
In contrast with some people on here, I have sympathy with your argument that integration is not happening in the UK between Muslims and the prexisiting majority of the population. Like you, I lay the blame for this at the door of religion but also on the aggressive actions of Western governments and the circus that goes with that. I am not a fan of religion in any form whatsoever. It is backward, divisive and too easily used as a tool to exert control over a captive population. I think we have some common ground there (but perhaps I misunderstand).
Where we apparently diverge is when you hold up the UK, the West and Christianity as an example for the other civilisations of the world to emulate. Apparently without recognition that our own way of life, the organisation of our own society, is deeply flawed and in some ways inferior to the places on which you would apparently like to impose our supposed shared values. There are aspects of Russian and Islamic society which are unquestionably backwards, but those societies are able to level equivalent allegations at our own society (some rather random examples in no particular order, glorification of violence in Western entertainment media, recreational usage of alcohol, breakdown of family structures and abandonment of the elderly to carehomes, How’s Britains space programme? prevalence of consumerism and debt within the population at large) Further, you must take account of the historical and geographical context when considering the state of those civilisations. I detect an unjustified level of arrogance to your assertions. If someone points that out and suggests that perhaps our supposed traditional British/Western values are not all their made out to be, your default reposte appears to be to accuse the person of self hating as if to be ashamed of the place you were born is an unthinkable thing.
I embrace your accusation. I genuinely detest a lot of what British society is and what it stands for. The Monarchy, the land owners, the government, the common people, the politics, the institutions, the culture, the history and the arrogance. There is an awful lot there that I am ashamed to be associated with. So many things that we are told we should be proud of are illusory when you dig past the surface. It’s part of the reason I don’t live there anymore. I am still tied to it though and I have every right to criticise it.
If my point has been lost in the rant let me make it again more simply, People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Your criticism of Russia and Islamic society boils down to that.