It is not simple at all, there is no evidence for it. What is a “spirit” exactly and what evidence is there that they “exist”?
What banter have you quoted there? Is banter for you just normal speak? I really struggle to understand you sometimes.
Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint
Originally posted by @Matthew-Le-God
Yes, I am denying those tests are correct. Living a lie isn’t healthy.
- So you’re picking and choosing your science? So if you don’t believe all science, are you just not making it up as you go along?
Plus you said in the opening post…
“I am currently attending church (and probably will do for the forseeable future) at our local CofE as I think they promote a good course of living for my daughter, and (I believe) set a good example of how to live your life”
- I also said (and you have seemingly removed it from this post as it disproves your point, so I have included the bits in bold):
…So, does anyone on here follow a religion of any type?
Personally, I don’t, although I am currently attending church (and probably will do for the forseeable future) at our local CofE as I think they promote a good course of living for my daughter, and (I believe) set a good example of how to live your life.
Why would you attend a church if you didn’t beleive it is 100% true? If you don’t think it is 100% true then you are making your own independant moral judgements and cherry picking. There is no need to attend church if you are making your own moral judgements.
That was also answered in the quote above:
“they promote a good course of living for my daughter, and (I believe) set a good example of how to live your life.”
It’s not about me believing as I don’t.
The Bible offers a horifically bad set of morals to live by. It is homophobic, sexist and says murder, slavery and genocide is all ok.
Why on earth do you want your daugheter to be raised attending a church that promotes such an evil book like the Bible? Even the teaching of Jesus are horrific, he for example was fine with slavery.
- When was the last time you went to church?
4)The church I am going to promotes NONE of the above, and not many will do nowadays.
5)As you have demonstratably shown you pick and choose your science. So why can’t religions do the same?
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Attempting to solve one mental health issue with another isn’t a cure. It is exacerbating the problem.
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Why if you don’t follow a religion would you regularly attend religious services? You’ve stated you don’t agree with the Bible, so you’ve been able to indepentantly create your own moral code. Why don’t you teach that to your daughter? Why is the church required for her moral code?
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Only time I go to church is for weddings & funerals.
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What justification does your church give for ignoring the scripture?
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Religion is meant to be definitive and the word of God. If morals can change over time, then it is humans changing the morals. Science isn’t defintive, unlike religion it is open to challenge and if more reliable evidence becomes available then it changes its conclusions.
Religion works the other way round, it has an answer and tries to shoe-horn the evidence to fit the pre-concieved answer it has. Science follows the evidence to the answer, which is the rational way of thinking.
I think you’re mistaking Cherts for someone that is actually religious. The vibe I’m getting is very much social climbing.
You know what they all say.
“A vicar will get you there quicker”.
Well, actually no-one says that, apart from me, there, then. However, Theresa May is a vicar’s daughter and if Cherts manages Vicar Mastery, she may actually talk to him instead of simply releasing the hounds.
It’s a sound plan.
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The basis for the CoE is the Bible. He said…“our local CofE as I think they promote a good course of living for my daughter, and (I believe) set a good example of how to live your life”.
Surely the CoE promotes the teachings of the Bible? The Bible has an abhorant moral compass that endorses rape, murder, homophobia, genocide & slavery.
How is that a good example for his daughter? What justification does the CoE give for ignoring the bad parts of the Bible?
Don’t be silly Tokes.
It wasn’t a Private Jet, just a blagged Biz Class Upgrade ffs
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Originally posted by @Matthew-Le-God
Attempting to solve one mental health issue with another isn’t a cure. It is exacerbating the problem.
Why if you don’t follow a religion would you regularly attend religious services? You’ve stated you don’t agree with the Bible, so you’ve been able to indepentantly create your own moral code. Why don’t you teach that to your daughter? Why is the church required for her moral code?
Only time I go to church is for weddings & funerals.
What justification does your church give for ignoring the scripture?
Religion is meant to be definitive and the word of God. If morals can change over time, then it is humans changing the morals. Science isn’t defintive, unlike religion it is open to challenge and if more reliable evidence becomes available then it changes its conclusions.
Religion works the other way round, it has an answer and tries to shoe-horn the evidence to fit the pre-concieved answer it has. Science follows the evidence to the answer, which is the rational way of thinkin g.
There have been many scientists who have a religious faith and believe in God. The pursuit of an absolute truth in explanation is not a scientific way of analysis, especially when uncertainty exists everywhere.
Originally posted by @Numptyboi
There have been many scientists who have a religious faith and believe in God. The pursuit of an absolute truth in explanation is not a scientific way of analysis, especially when uncertainty exists everywhere.
You are confusing Science and the views of individual scientists as the same thing. They are not. For a scientist to follow the scientific method they have to park their religious beliefs at the lab door.
Science is rational, religion is not.
Lies Phil. You have never been upgraded and not immediatly tweeted about it, along with some celeb in the background.
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Originally posted by @Matthew-Le-God
Religion works the other way round, it has an answer and tries to shoe-horn the evidence to fit the pre-concieved answer it has. Science follows the evidence to the answer, which is the rational way of thinking.
i reckon they start pretty much the same. I.e. religion is someone saying, you see my penis, god made that. Then someone else says, fk off, how do you know? And they look round for evidence, and eventually someone pipes up saying, yeah I speak to God quite regular. He mentioned ur penis.
Now, the Scientists are much same. They don’t follow evidence at first. They make something up. I.e. One bro says, you see my penis, it was made by String Theory. And then they all look round for evidence, and eventually one bro comes up with some complicated mathematics that no-one can understand, and says, “See.” And everyone is like, oh, well done, cos they’re too proud to admit they don’t understand the mathematics.
Originally posted by @Matthew-Le-God
Originally posted by @Numptyboi
There have been many scientists who have a religious faith and believe in God. The pursuit of an absolute truth in explanation is not a scientific way of analysis, especially when uncertainty exists everywhere.
You are confusing Science and the views of individual scientists as the same thing. They are not.
Science is rational, religion is not.
You are confusing science as an absolute truth and it’s not. Since you, or anyone else cannot disprove the existence of a God, then you cannot state that God does not exist.
Does this penis analogy involve a bear’s penis by any chance?
Originally posted by @Matthew-Le-God
Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint
Originally posted by @Matthew-Le-God
Yes, I am denying those tests are correct. Living a lie isn’t healthy.
- So you’re picking and choosing your science? So if you don’t believe all science, are you just not making it up as you go along?
Plus you said in the opening post…
“I am currently attending church (and probably will do for the forseeable future) at our local CofE as I think they promote a good course of living for my daughter, and (I believe) set a good example of how to live your life”
- I also said (and you have seemingly removed it from this post as it disproves your point, so I have included the bits in bold):
…So, does anyone on here follow a religion of any type?
Personally, I don’t, although I am currently attending church (and probably will do for the forseeable future) at our local CofE as I think they promote a good course of living for my daughter, and (I believe) set a good example of how to live your life.
Why would you attend a church if you didn’t beleive it is 100% true? If you don’t think it is 100% true then you are making your own independant moral judgements and cherry picking. There is no need to attend church if you are making your own moral judgements.
That was also answered in the quote above:
“they promote a good course of living for my daughter, and (I believe) set a good example of how to live your life.”
It’s not about me believing as I don’t.
The Bible offers a horifically bad set of morals to live by. It is homophobic, sexist and says murder, slavery and genocide is all ok.
Why on earth do you want your daugheter to be raised attending a church that promotes such an evil book like the Bible? Even the teaching of Jesus are horrific, he for example was fine with slavery.
- When was the last time you went to church?
4)The church I am going to promotes NONE of the above, and not many will do nowadays.
5)As you have demonstratably shown you pick and choose your science. So why can’t religions do the same?
- Attempting to solve one mental health issue with another isn’t a cure. It is exacerbating the problem.
Excellent, so as with moat religious people you’re picking and choosing the science you believe. Glad we’re on the same page.
- Why if you don’t follow a religion would you regularly attend religious services? You’ve stated you don’t agree with the Bible, so you’ve been able to indepentantly create your own moral code. Why don’t you teach that to your daughter? Why is the church required for her moral code?
I’m not answering a question that has already been answered above.
- Only time I go to church is for weddings & funerals.
Why do you do that? People who go there have mental health issues. Are you supporting your friends/family who have mental health issues?
- What justification does your church give for ignoring the scripture?
Don’t know, don’t care, it’s irrelevant as it fits with a moral framework I am happy with.
- Religion is meant to be definitive and the word of God. If morals can change over time, then it is humans changing the morals. Science isn’t defintive, unlike religion it is open to challenge and if more reliable evidence becomes available then it changes its conclusions.
Religion works the other way round, it has an answer and tries to shoe-horn the evidence to fit the pre-concieved answer it has. Science follows the evidence to the answer, which is the rational way of thinking.
Then you cannot prove that the religious answer is wrong then, as science is never definitive.
Why are you going out of your way to contradict your own arguments? Strange way to debate.
It doesn’t, and it isn’t. It’s precisely why the major faiths don’t expect their adherents to religiously follow the dogma. My landlady over in NI, a Catholic herself, refers to a la carte Catholicism. I’ve seen evidence of that up in Liverpool, a long time ago.
You’re taking a position almost as extreme as Barry did earlier in the thread. Take all the dogma or take none of it. People have gotten a lot smarter. Not only can they pick and choose between a religion, or bits of it, they can choose not to subscribe at all.
I used to be an atheist. I can’t do that shit no more. I go along as an agnostic. Personally, I’ve seen no evidence to support the idea of a God, but I’m just a mortal dude with a limited understanding of things, as we all are.
Who am I to tell anyone else there isn’t a God?
I am definitely not onboard with the idea of a God that gets involved in human day to day decisions, but neither am I entirely convinced that the universe is a big bag of directionless entropy.
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Originally posted by @Matthew-Le-God
Does this penis analogy involve a bear’s penis by any chance?
I can get my hands on a penis, if you think that would help.
While we are on this, how the fuck did the BBC know what dinosaurs sounded like?
All that shit they did with Walking with Dinos a few years back - they made it up and people believed it.
Yes we know what the fuckers’ bones looked like + we had the odd cave painting of a camel, but let’s not pretend that the Triceratops had a bark like a throaty seagull or the Brontosaurus chirped like a fucking gazelle
They dressed up that cartoon as a proper programme and sold their guesswork as a science and nature lesson.
Twats.
Next week we look at Songs of Praise….
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Different levels means?
You want a penis? I can get you a penis by 8pm, Dude. Nail polish and everything.
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A typical sharp elbowed tory, I’m not surprised, hopefully this man of faith will see through him and sling him on his hook.
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Originally posted by @Numptyboi
you cannot state that God does not exist.
I don’t think MLG is stated that, is he? MLG said right at the beginning, that he’s not sure if God exists. Maybe He does, maybe He does not (He probably does tho)