I think there’s a huge difference. Smith can be proven to be responsible for saying those things. Would you feely comfy with such a loose cannon on the decks at international level?
How good are your facts day two?
Think you may need a wee update before tagging anyone up as mendacious.
Corbyn needs to get used to lack of seats.
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that is general election joke not sure it quite works soz
That would have been a PMSL moment
(I shall be using “sly twat” at work - there are a few here that warrant the moniker)
Arf. Has been described as ‘electoral suicide’. I thought Owen Smith was all about getting Labour back into power 
Owen Smith has vowed to block negotiations to leave the EU until the Government offers a second referendum or general election.
The Labour leadership contender said the party led under his stewardship will vote against triggering Article 50 - the instrument to formally begin the Brexit process - unless the Conservatives agree to a second vote.
The former shadow work and pensions secretary warned: "Under my leadership, Labour won’t give the Tories a blank cheque.
“We will vote in Parliament to block any attempt to invoke Article 50 until Theresa May commits to a second referendum or a general election on whatever EU exit deal emerges at the end of the process.
Clearly Smith has just given up caring about the race and is just intent on spouting as much bollocks as possible over the next few weeks. Still, I bet we get to read about #traingate for the next couple of days rather than focusing on any of the bizarre statements made by the Labour establishment’s “electable” candidate…
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Clearly Smith hasn’t, judging by his Today interview, he came across really well in the important 8.10am “big interview slot” he was calm, engaging and convincing. The so called “Traingate” could have solved by Corbyn just booking a seat beforehand, most people do it. There is such a cult of Corbyn, it’s like the Bernie Sanders thing in the US
Corbyn is great if you don’t much care about actually winning power and doing things. He’s a “man of principle” (or a battering ram for the real socialist revolution) I suspect that more and more Corbyn supporters (and senior trade union leaders) are reluctantly admitting, if only in private, that “he’s a lovely guy, but …
Sorry, serious mode off … Back to posting music videos 
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I don’t think we’ve had the cult thing on here before, but I have encountered it on Twitter. I’ve done quite a bit of research into actual, religious cults after suspecting that one may be operating in our midst, up here in Liverpool.
When I see that on Twitter, and if I can be arsed, I send the tweeter a survival story or two from people that have survived actual cults. It’s unhelpful language, doing a disservice both to people who’ve experienced the shite that cults bang out, and to people expressing an opinion in the clear blue sky beyond the Overton window.
Mind you, we live in a world where the media-pronounced electable candidate gets to say he cares about issues such as mental health or equality of gender with the party, and says or does things which completely undermine that position, and he doesn’t really get pulled up on it.
I used the phrase Cult of Corbyn for dramatic effect. But in essence it is really, in two ways a dissaffection with mainstream politics and who is the opposition party?
Also, the main thing is unless your in govt then it’s irrelevant
My comment was a bit tongue in cheek! It’s not surprising he came across well in that interview, or else all that money on media training would’ve been money down the drain 
I will say that Smith seems like a nice bloke, he clearly is a Labour man and he’s an engaging and strong politician. However, he is the face of a cabal within the Labour party who epitomise what many people have come to despise about politics. This whole leadership election is a complete farce, brought on by people within the PLP who have shown time and time again that they will go against Labour party members in order to preserve the status quo. The real question is where does Corbyn go from here? Owen Jones presents a good and fair summary here:
I guess you’re aware that the Labour membership has increased since Ed Miliband changed the rules on membership? And it’s like giving Saints fans votes on the next Pompey Manager
Supermikey you’re a smart bloke,
Your drama happens to coincide with a common pejorative seen on Twitter. It isn’t a cult, and you’re alienating the myriad people that have stood in his rallies. It’s the Brexit rubbish all over again. If you insist on telling someone they are something because they support a political position or view, you only serve to entrench them.
Lesson learned, by me, during the 2015 election. Lessons that should have been learned after Brexit.
Regarding your slightly later point about electability, how do you propose that Smith reconciles his pledge to reject Article 50 with the 17 million cross party voters that want it invoked, including 52% of his own constituency?
His pronouncement has been dubbed “electoral suicide”. Would you disagree?
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I’m not sure that what you’re implying there is accurate - there are undoubtedly saboteurs who have joined the party to disrupt things, but the membership has increased by hundreds of thousands, which is a gigantic number. I wouldn’t want to generalise the motivations of all those people who have joined, but it wouldn’t be too absurd to suggest that they’ve actually joined because they support the party’s leader, would it?
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Super Michael - I am most interested in opinions of Corbyn north of the border.
Hostile?
Sympathetically positive?
Electorally signficant if Labour Scotland gets behind him?
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Not really people are looking for any alternative to mainstream politics. Corbyn is there, just as Brexit and Farage