:labour: New Old Labour in trouble

Originally posted by @pap

Train companies are there to make money out of “shit happens”, and if rail is your only option, the TOCs have a monopoly in most places you’ll need them.

Privatisation, eh? Wonderful.

Its not a massive example and it was some years ago, but Warwick Parkway station was newly built, not by Railtrack like most stations but by the TOC, Chiltern (which is owned by John Laing). Chiltern were the ones pushing for this station to happen, ignoring government appointed consultants who said it would not attract enough customers to be viable.

Eventually, Railtrack planned to build it, as normally happens, but they said it would cost £13m. Chiltern priced it up and said it could be done for £5.2m. They built it on time, to budget and its one of a handful of stations owned outright by a TOC. In 2012 the car park was extended to accommodate more of those customers who would not use it.

Chiltern, FWIW, regularly gets very positive reviews by passengers and also regularly tops the punctuality and reliability stats.

But will we see lower prices? That seems to be one of the main arguments here as why we should re-nationalise.

Originally posted by @KRG

I don’t think this is exactly a rip roaring success for Corbyn either. Expect for cementing the seige mentality amongst his existing support base, or that every possible criticism of the man is a conspiracy of some sort.

From where I am sat, all this serves to do is entrench pre-existing ideas on either side.

Then again, that cunt Farage seems to have won people over by drinking pints and smoking fags (oh and blaming immigration for every possible problem). So, perhaps seeing Corbyn sat on the floor will win him votes.

I was over in Kilkeel last week, and therefore, in contact with real actual people, outside the usual echo chamber. If there’s a prevailing attitude of media conspiracy about their treatment of Corbyn, it goes much broader and deeper than his supporters. Perhaps peeps in the North of Ireland are naturally more cynical, having listened to bollocks for decades, but anyone that talked to me about Corbyn remarked upon the bias.

Traditional media outlets are still acting as they’re the unchallenged authority. Say what you want about the rise of social media, but that simply isn’t the case anymore. It is being challenged, and in the best way possible. Yes, yes, you shouldn’t believe everything you read in social media, which is why it’s so exciting that people are going out there and confirming things for themselves.

That’s not conspiracy. It’s basic fact checking. Long may it continue. Should those facts lead to the “perp” being the Train Operator, in the Food Carriage, with the Dodgy CCTV footage, shouldn’t he have his pants pulled down over it?

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Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint

But will we see lower prices? That seems to be one of the main arguments here as why we should re-nationalise.

I’ve already given you several more. I would expect to see lower prices, yes.

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I’ve seen that, but I don’t see that it would make much difference to many services. They’re not just going to run uneconomical routes because they’re nationalised.

It’s running on the basis of need, not profit. Much of the economy benefit will be indirect, such as cities being able to attract labour they otherwise wouldn’t, or be able to spend money they otherwise wouldn’t have.

The immense monies generated by areas which are “economical” (profitable in other words) and be used to help with that.

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Originally posted by @pap

I was over in Kilkeel last week, and therefore, in contact with real actual people, outside the usual echo chamber. If there’s a prevailing attitude of media conspiracy about their treatment of Corbyn, it goes much broader and deeper than his supporters. Perhaps peeps in the North of Ireland are naturally more cynical, having listened to bollocks for decades, but anyone that talked to me about Corbyn remarked upon the bias.

Sounds like they was Humouring You pap. Was these Real People coming up to you and initiating a conversation about Corbin, or was it more, as I suspect, you backing people into corners and banging on about media bias while they look over ur shoulder, glass-eyed and desperate?

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Originally posted by @Bearsy

Sounds like they was Humouring You pap. Was these Real People coming up to you and initiating a conversation about Corbin, or was it more, as I suspect, you backing people into corners and banging on about media bias while they look over ur shoulder, glass-eyed and desperate?

They had escape routes, Bear. Open plan, innit?

Look at it another way. How many people do you know that actually buy the BBC’s claim that “it’s just news”?

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I don’t know anyone who would even know what I was on about. The 12 trials of Corbyn ain’t quite reached the masses yet. I only know about it cos I post on Here.

Corbyn doesn’t have a problem with the masses, Bear.

That’s Smith you’re thinking about.

Say something might be interesting and ye shall receive. I’m not sure it lets him off any. It’s out of the blue.

A lunatic wouldn’t walk by loads of empty seats, force his missus to sit on the floor and turn down a free upgrade to first class…oh

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Top own goal from Smith there, I reckon.

Shits all over the mental health agenda, which he reckons he cares about. Tries to lie about it afterwards. Now that actually is bang to rights :lou_lol:

In honour of that man.

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Corbyn walks past seats he claims were reserved with no sign of a pair together…

He then speaks to the train manager.

This was the opportunity for the train manager to say either -

  1. You’ve just walked past empty seats to create a PR storm you sly twat.

  2. As there isn’t a pair of empty seats together I can upgrade you to first class.

Either way, today while trying to talk about saving the NHS, all the anti-Corbyn media wants to establish is where he sat on a train.

This media holiday isn’t called the Silly Season for nothing.

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How would the train manager know he walked past empty seats? He walked from coach H, down to the far coach (I am presuming Coach B), and by then the seats would have gone.

The storm was caused by Mr Integrity, Jeremy Corbyn. Now his supporters can’t take that he’s the same as the rest, a liar looking for a PR opportunity.

Nah, it was caused by numpties that get their knickers into a twist by what is turning out to be nothing.

#brickgate

#officegate

#bowgate

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He’s just the same as the rest, a liar.

Add to that #smackingtheresamaybackonherheelsgate and #lunaticgate

They’re all the same - political opportunism and points scoring exercises. IT IS RIDICULOUS.

Yeah, maybe if you say something long enough, people will believe it Chertsey.

Look how well Barry is doing with his anti-Musl…

Oh.

Yeah, but Barry’s is incoherent ramblings of an Islamophobe. This is fact. Big difference.