Theresa May has gone under the radar. Her promotions give you an insight. Priti Patel given International Development Secretary was a statement. She’s gone on record as wanting to scrap all foreign aid and the dept. Why give her the job?
Ex BAT lobbyist and right wing policy woman
Sorry got all political again 
He’s pretty much in line with the political consensus in Scotland, although perhaps slightly to the left of what would pass as “centrist” here. He has the same issues in Scotland as in the rest of the UK - Scottish politics has a lot of characters and he does come across as a bit bland and not as fiery as the likes of Salmond, Sturgeon, Davidson etc.
As for Scottish Labour, the further he can distance himself from them the better. They are an absolute poison chalice and have quite rightly been destroyed in successive elections. The big issue is that the independence debate still rages and any party who isn’t open to the idea of an independent Scotland is pretty much alienating 50% of their potential vote straight away. I doubt any party will have much luck prising votes away from the SNP unless something were to drastically change before the next election…
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Originally posted by @TedMaul
ally people are looking for any alternative to mainstream politics. Corbyn is there, just as Brexit and Farage
So if you acknowledge that people are looking for alternatives to mainstream politics, isn’t that an implicit twin admission that mainstream politics have failed, and that Corbyn is somehow electable?
I’m deducing little compabilitity between some of your positions.
Originally posted by @pap
Originally posted by @TedMaul
ally people are looking for any alternative to mainstream politics. Corbyn is there, just as Brexit and Farage
So if you acknowledge that people are looking for alternatives to mainstream politics, isn’t that an implicit twin admission that mainstream politics have failed, and that Corbyn is somehow electable?
I’m deducing little compabilitity between some of your positions.
Hey, i’m sure of my position. You may not be old enough to understand the destabilising influence of the hard left on the labour party.
I think that is a touch reductionist, myself.
It can still stand that people want an alternative - but not like Corbyn.
Just as it can equally stand that you can not be wholly supportive of Corbyn - but also dislike the actions of those trying to unseat him, or the bloke(/patsy) put up to challenge him.
Likewise, in reference to our brief chat earlier in the thread, it can stand that you think there is a media bias against Corbyn and some ( not all ) criticisms of him are valid, even if in or coming from those same sources.
Edit: I deleted some stuff here. Would probably have started a row, and I can’t really be bothered with it.
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And the pointleness of being in opposition whilst Theresa May brings in her snoopers charter
And Owen Smith is not a Blairite … And also 99 per cent of labour members aren’t either
Or actually whatever you may feel strongly about. Forget it, aside from one vote. People are idiots. there’s nothing you can do.
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More interested to hear about this Liverpool cult in all honesty. What’s happening?
He’s Mr Pfizer… And please let the PLP in on that, as they don’t seem to have realised yet.
I don’t get why people sneer at someone’s previous career when it comes to politics. It just strikes me as a cheap shot.
I think the feeling would be that it’s generally difficult to claim you have incorruptible morals (which a politician should undoubtedly have) if you were happy to work in a position of power for a globally immoral company. I don’t know whether Smith was an employee who tried to drive positive change within the Big Pharma industry, but I’ve certainly never heard him mention his distaste at some of the things those companies get up to.
Lol, you are going to spend a long time looking for one of those.
If we are going down the guilt by association line, then there is not going to be many people left to choose from. Lots of people have been employed by or connected to an organisation that has done some questionable things. Be it financial product misselling, tax avoidance advice, abusing the supply chain, links to Hamas etc etc.
why do you think i’m sneering? I genuinely believe he’s a lying cunt, to the point where i wouldn’t vote for him in a general election. I believe there are a lot of Labour supporters that feel exactly the same.
“He’s Mr Pfizer” - He was a lobbyist there for just three years out of a twenty plus year varied career outside of politics, yet you chose to focus on that bit.
As to his integrity , I cannot answer.
Originally posted by @CB-Saint
“He’s Mr Pfizer” - He was a lobbyist there for just three years out of a twenty plus year varied career outside of politics, yet you chose to focus on that bit.
As to his integrity , I cannot answer.
I think there is a big difference between working for Pfizer and working as a lobbyist for Pfizer.
The rest of his career is surrounded by accusations of nepotism and ill judgement. During his time at the BBC, he apparently phoned 999 for an update on a crime story, prompting an official complaint by the Met. There are unresolved questions about how influential his Da was in getting him his job.
The problem with defocusing on that 3 year period is that the rest is just as murky.
Originally posted by @CB-Saint
Originally posted by @Saint-or-sinner
Originally posted by @CB-Saint
Originally posted by @Saint-or-sinner
Originally posted by @TedMaul
And Owen Smith is not a Blairite … And also 99 per cent of labour members aren’t either
He’s Mr Pfizer… And please let the PLP in on that, as they don’t seem to have realised yet.
I don’t get why people sneer at someone’s previous career when it comes to politics. It just strikes me as a cheap shot.
why do you think i’m sneering? I genuinely believe he’s a lying cunt, to the point where i wouldn’t vote for him in a general election. I believe there are a lot of Labour supporters that feel exactly the same.
“He’s Mr Pfizer” - He was a lobbyist there for just three years out of a twenty plus year varied career outside of politics, yet you chose to focus on that bit.
As to his integrity , I cannot answer.
It’s a fitting name. Wasn’t he all in favour of the NHS being handed over bit by bit to private companies? Now he’s changed his tune. So Mr Pfizer seems fitting. He also tried to take the piss out of Corbyn supporters that had t-shirts proclaiming their support. Backtracked quickly when he was booed. I’m waiting to see a load of people at one of the hustings wearing Mr Pfizer t-shirts(viagra blue would look nice).
Always find it amazing that the people who like throwing shit about get so uppity when it’s done back to them(Him not you).
