:labour: New Old Labour in trouble

He’s gone from hero to zero.

However he may have got smeared at the time, more people respected him for his efforts to be Noncefinder General than didn’t. Interestingly, Zac Goldsmith was chasing the same allegations. He never got smeared, but has now got his own problems.

He’s been involved in the coup throughout. This week, he’s openly talking about getting rid of the one-member, one-vote system. That was after he voted to raise the £3 to £25, and according to Labour Insider, he’s also on the Procedures Committee that has decided to appeal the decision to allow new members the vote.

Originally posted by @CB-Saint

GMB have come out for Smith

40,000 voted out of 600,000K members.

8.1% turnout in a voting system where people didn’t actually need to physically turn out.

Twitter is currently going bananas with people claiming they’ve never received a ballot.

Originally posted by @pap

Originally posted by @CB-Saint

GMB have come out for Smith

40,000 voted out of 600,000K members.

Around 6%-7% turnout in a voting system where people didn’t actually need to physically turn out.

Twitter is currently going bananas with people claiming they’ve never received a ballot.

But individual GMB members have an individual vote, don’t they?

This is a symbolic vote, like the CLP nominations. The GMB chief will now spend time campaigning with Smith.

They’ll still get their actual vote, come election.

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So our big Labour news today is that we’ll be seeing the Party in court again.

The Procedures Committee of the NEC, a transient committee set up _just _for this leadership election, will be attempting to overturn the High Court decision in which around 130,000 new Labour Party members were re-enfranchised.

Shocking business all around, really. The Rebel wing of the Labour Party looks like an intelligence service that just thought, “fuck it - we’re tired of the cost of doing stuff covertly. Let’s just do it all in broad daylight”.

There’s talk of Tom Watson’s position being untenable, but difficult to know what to do about it. He can only be ousted if a percentage threshold of MPs nominate a challenger.

I think there is a new home for the term “omnishambles”

Labour are fortunate that the Olympics are on. Every journo is on a beano in Rio and not spending time on this.

Well, that’s not true. Somehow, despite the staging of the Olympic Games, there’s someone on the RW of the Party able to get a headline.

Even if it were, does sir have any recollection of the past ten months? It has pretty much been typified by bad press for Labour, fed by Corbyn’s enemies.

What do you reckon the press could print that :-

a) they haven’t printed already
b) wouldn’t make them look like total hypocrites?

They’ve been as much a part of this as anyone else.

It’s more a case that papers have been forced to put Gold medal winners on the front, so their usual mischievous anti-Corbyn, anti-BBC and pro-Brexit agendas have had to take a back seat.

Originally posted by @pap

Pap, sorry to go on about this - perhaps there’s a ‘troubleshooting’ thread I should be putting this on - but I can’t see this post, whatever it is, when viewing on my laptop (using firefox) is this a site problem or my computer?

Cataracts?

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Its amazing really, the newspapers spend so much time creating agendas that it is a miracle that they have time to report anything at all.

These days it seems that the automatic response to any newspaper that prints something that does not fall in line with someones POV is to say the newspaper has an anti-{insert word} agenda.

Are you suggesting that UK newspapers just report news and have no bias?

And the London School of Economics has independently backed the notion that newspapers, in general, are hugely biased against Corbyn.

Just 11% of his words were reported correctly.

If I’m not mistaken, even our old mate Furbs had a better hit rate in accurately reproducing what someone else said.

Not to the extent that people make out. There is a difference between having a left or right bias and active agendas that people think exist.

Take the Brexit - you say the media was pro Brexit, however if you read any of the comments sections there was a huge amount of noise about the media being pro remain, particularly on the BBC have your say sections.

Ultimately it comes down to individual POVs and it is my opinion that people are quick to say the world is against them if they read something they don’t agree with.

The front pages of the most popular papers on the referendum day were demanding that you vote Brexit…

And if as you suggest they were plugging Remain, that is not a balanced media just delivering news.

Believe me - every media has an angle they want to sell you, and Murdoch will do anything to keep Corbyn out, unless a deal becomes available that changes his stance - see Blair.

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So in the middle of a bitter leadership election contest we’ve halved the Tory lead. Just think if we were united. 🤔

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Leave

Sun, Express, Mail, sunday Times, Star, Telegraph

remain

Guardian, Mirror, Times, FT, Independent, Daily Post, Mail on Sunday

The Smith camp is getting desperately efficent, and efficiently desperate.

Owen Smith has asked to speak at “Momentum rallies”. They’re not Momentum rallies, of course. They’re Labour rallies for prospective leaders. Smith, having utterly failed to get any sizeable numbers, attempts to characterise them as non-Labour, yet begs to be heard by them.

Honestly Owen, there is fuck all stopping people from attending your rallies apart from that lack of basic interest in you, your campaign or your policies.