He said ‘most popular’.
So, he’s right, basically.
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Forgot the evening standard - they are remain
Can’t work out what the Metro was
Originally posted by @pap
So in the middle of a bitter leadership election contest we’ve halved the Tory lead. Just think if we were united.
Just saying…
Yeah, but that was down to shite Ories, Shirty.
This is almost worth a thread in itself, but I was listening to an episode of Common Sense by Dan Carlin. It’s an episode about dissent, and in the episode, he draws the comparison between the huge rogue waves that you find out on the open ocean with certain periods in history.
He identifies 1848 as a particularly big rogue historical wave, and reckons our last one was 40-odd years ago, when the USA was beset by increased political activism and eventually, violent extremism.
Now I don’t know whether we’re coming up to a rogue wave point of those proportions, but at the same time, I don’t remember a time when things were so volatile.
As how it relates to this thread, I wouldn’t fancy betting on the outcome of this election. Cherts’ numbers might hold up, but even that election is under police investigation for fraud. It could well be a rogue wave moment.
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Under investigation for using buses or sumink like that…
Don’t underestimate how bad this looks for the Labour party. As I tagged in the title, they just look plain ‘incompetent’.
Yes, I’m aware of why, how and which labels you started this thread with.
I take pride in the fact that it has gone the other way.
They’ve chopped that poll lead in half, in turmoil. I know they have a more limited appeal for you, but ultimately people are going to end up voting on what’s best for them. For every landlord that’ll never vote Labour because they don’t want rent controls or have to flog their house to a long term tenant, there will be 10x more that aren’t on the property ladder and will.
I guess the real questions are “how badly off will people be in 2020?” and will this mythical centre ground even exist anymore?
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I would welcome rent controls, I don’t rent mine anywhere near market value and it would likely push the rent up.
Polls are bollocks, and after the last two were so wrong you just can’t trust them anymore, unless it fits with your rhetoric that is… 
Well the polls certainly weren’t up to much last time. Either that or the Conservatives stole the election.
I agree that they’ve little value in the grand scheme of things, but what else do you expect people to judge on between elections?
What makes you so certain that rent controls are going to be governed entirely by the present market? The whole policy is intended to _correct _the market, or at least insulate people from being completely exploited by it. Could just as easily be decided on what people can pay or even something along the lines of square footage.
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When you’re priced 30% under the rental potential then it doesn’t really matter, they wouldn’t push the prices down more than that. Would never be done on what people can pay or square footage, too many parameters involved in property to do something so simple.
You seem very confident, Cherts - and somewhat blind to the present issues.
We’ve got one major issue, supply, which is driving another major issue, cost.
Those are the issues that we’re trying to solve.
We already price stuff on square footage, especially in commercial letting, but also in residential areas. We’re just a bit vaguer about measurement on residential in this country for some reason. We go by bedrooms, whereas your average American could proudly tell you how many square feet made up his or her domicile. Even so, you’re talking about a metric that we use all of the time suddenly being useless, or having too many parameters. We manage fine.
Your other point, ability to pay, used to be covered by the various benefits that people receive for housing being too expensive in the first place. Too many working people are on housing benefit, and I dislike that for the same reasons as I dislike the concept of tax credits. In an ideal world, we wouldn’t need them.
There is a balance out there to be had which will better reflect the needs of a wider collective, merely than just those that are exploiting present issues.
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Jeremy Corbyn is a nice fella. John McDonnell is a “work in progress” on that front 
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I’ve just watched most of that leadership debate. Not very dignified stuff from Smith. Was justifiably booed a few times for lying or smearing.
Brr. I used to just think him an irritant. He’s still that, but I’m genuinely taking a dislike to him as a result of his shenanigans, and that is new.
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Well pissed off. Go away for a week and miss a big labour Candidates Statements for Leadership Nomination Meeting!
Off leaflet dropping when I get back though!
Even more peed off that new labour members cannot vote! Just does not seem right! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37057589
but anyone with £25 to spare can. It’s a fucking mess. Can the 5 appeal as well. Seems only fair. Does this set a legal president about contracts? Going on this ruling a lot of contracts are now worthless.
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Apparently not able to appeal and have to pay thextra 30k legal fees within 28 days. There’s a crowd funding site set up for it.
My understanding is that they can appeal to the Supreme Court
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I’m not blind to the issues at all, but I think you’re being naive if you think rental controls will solve the issues we currently have, and also if you think that this will solve anything.
The thing about rental controls is that they need to be in place before property has risen too high in price, which has already failed. If you want to work it’s about being pro-active. If you decrease the amount of money people are bringing in from rent, and the amount of money that property is worth, then you are decrease spending in the economy and you’ll cause a recession. And you know who suffers the most in a recession? Yep, the poor.
Even McDonnell isn’t stupid enough to think that we can just force prices down through draconian cuts to rental income.
It’s all a bit of a moot point as it would be far too complex to administer on a market that is so mature. Oh, and you’ve also got to see Labour get in for it even to be put forwars. And then you have the biggest problem; getting it through the House of Lords, where even the Labour peers are big property owners.
Just build lots and lots of council houses. Will take a few years admittedly, but it would definitely kill the buy to let market, which is holding a lot of the first time buyers back.
Labour under Corbyn does of course need to gain power first.
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