strong article, should hit a nerve with quite a few people who would normally vote tory.
The Guardian on the other hand is still trying it’s hardest to blacken his name.
Two articles by the same journalist put up within two hours of each other.
Never thought i’d see the day the Telegraph would give a leftwing leader of the Labour party a fairer time than the Guardian.
Originally posted by @Saint-or-sinner
strong article, should hit a nerve with quite a few people who would normally vote tory.
The Guardian on the other hand is still trying it’s hardest to blacken his name.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/07/jeremy-corbyn-rules-out-second-referendum-brexit
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/aug/06/jeremy-corbyn-campaign-donation-palestine
Two articles by the same journalist put up within two hours of each other.
Never thought i’d see the day the Telegraph would give a leftwing leader of the Labour party a fairer time than the Guardian.
I never thought it was that hard a case to make. I supposed the question going forward is whether the Labour Party regains a kind of internal coherence to allow Corbyn to make it.
On the issue of votes, we the court case which determines whether those 130,000 new members get to vote or not. Right now, they can’t. There are some that reckon Smith will drop out of the race if those voters are allowed back on.
Guidance was sent out over the weekend. It’s likely the decision has already been made. Today is about any appeals the losing side wants to lodge.
I don’t often do “Politics” for obvious reasons, but I clicked on this link by accident today and it does ask some interesting questions (many are WAY over my head)
But it does argue that perhaps the “Labour” type movements are now out of date and out of time. (Which is in fact an interesting slant on WHY that is the case as opposed to the normal debates.
Anyway, it talks about knowledge and communities and BLOODY HELL, he probably doesn’t even know it but Pap is actuall at the forefornt of the New Age of Politics with us lot in tow.
I’m off to take a PHd course so I can actually understand all of this, but have fun reading
Interesting piece on Reluctant Corbynism. Dealbreakers.
The one group of members overlooked in nearly all dissections of Corbynism are the existing members switching from whoever they supported in 2015 to Jeremy. We’re not talking people who joined to vote last summer and have stayed, but comrades who’ve knocked about the block ( as well as a few doors) and have served the party in various capacities. I know this party constituency exists because, a) I’m one of those people, and b) so are nearly all my comrades. I know folks who voted Andy, Yvette, and Liz last time who are all hitting the Corbyn button on this occasion. It’s not that Jez has so much won them over, but rather the behaviour of his opponents have driven their support into the arms of his campaign. Jeremy hasn;t attracted them, the political geniuses of core group hostile, you know, the people supposedly specialising in reaching out beyond bases and comfort zones, lost them.
They should probably stop referring to ech other as ‘comrade’ - that’s got to be a complete turn off to any non-traditional Labour voters.
It’d probably go down a lot easier if the Tories referrred to each other as competitors.
That you’ve made this point, and I don’t disagree, shows how perfectly decent words get weaponised and turned into something else. There’s nowt wrong with comrade, or indeed being comradely.
Waiting for more confirmation on this, but wowsers, looks like the 130,000 new members are going to be able to vote after all.
#Breaking Five new members of the Labour Party win High Court battle over right to vote in leadership election pic.twitter.com/zwwbh4M4lu
Here comes the next lawsuit.
“Give me back my £25”
Already happening amongst people who signed up to be members, missed the cutoff, and paid 25 quid because they wanted to vote for Corbyn.
There might be an appeal. Ridiculous, really. I expect the costs of this action are being paid for by the very people they’re looking to disenfranchise.
What a clusterfuck. All organised by the people who tell you Owen Smith will be the next Prime Minister of this country.
The Guardian are turning into a joke by publishing shite like this:
Ah excellent. So in amongst all this pathetic squabbling, May is going to push through the reintroduction of Grammar schools.
Once more, fucking up the futures of kids. Very good.
Fucking pathetic excuse of an “opposition”.
Partially.
Perhaps sir forgets, or doesn’t know, that Corbyn’s Labour has already successfully forced more U-turns than Miliband managed in his entire time as leader.
I’m not really looking for a row, you kind of no why.
It’s not even really a direct dig at JC. More the fucking state of the party. This is currently going through, with little to no fan fare and mostly because of the state of the party, which is also monopolising the news.
I’m aware of that, but it also isn’t exactly a high bar to clear. It’s hard to really make the case that right now, Labour are an effective oppositon party - and that is damaging to a lot of people in the country right now.
I’d definitely agree that the coup isn’t helping. Certainly hasn’t helped the polls.
Given today’s events, especially the Labour Party’s decision to appeal the High Court verdict, I’m now convinced that a split was happening the minute Corbyn got onto the ballot, and that his opponents are conducting a scorched earth policy that’ll boost the prospects of their breakaway by attempting to destroy the credibility of Labour Party.
The Labour Party is spending Labour Party members’ fees trying to prevent Labour Party members from voting.
You don’t really need anything else. That one statement tells you how fucked things are right now.
I dunno, I find it hard to know where I stand on it all - if I am honest.
I’ve always said I am not, and never have been a Labour member or voter. So maybe I should just shut up about it all.
I still can’t 100% decide where I stand re: Corbyn. There’s things I like about him, and also things I don’t like. That does not mean I think what has happened of late is right or good. I stand by what I said a while ago (pre JC being elected), that there’s a lack of leaders within the party.
As I said, I just don’t know. The world is fucked right now, and everything just seems to be a steaming hot mess. Rightly or wrongly, I couldn’t help admire the brutal, and ruthless efficiency of the Tory leadership ‘contest’. I really fear that this mess Labour has plunged themselves into is likely to lead another significant period of Tory rule.
Bring on the apocalypse, that’s what I’d vote for right now.
Doesn’t sound like the union I belong to but great work Guardian giving more fodder to union bashing.
Blimey. Jess Phillips at it again. She was the one complaining about Laura K’s petition being sexist.
Alison Phipps
@alisonphipps 2h2 hours agoIn which Jess Phillips likens being a public servant who can be democratically deselected to an abusive relationship
https://twitter.com/alisonphipps/status/762620749341417474
Interesting claim from LabourEoin, who reckons the NEC have got no automatic right to appeal the decision.
They need another full NEC vote. Surely they wouldn’t be so brazen if that’s true?*
* I have no real confidence in that statement.
Does it worry you pap that all these MPs who know JC personally, seem to think he’s a Nobber? What if they’re right???
Nah, not really. My understanding is that he was a well liked MP before he became leader, which is one of the reasons he was able to find the nominations. You’ve also got a long voting record which shows him doing the right thing.
The only people to have acted like grade A nobbers are the PLP and whichever elements of Labour’s internal machinery have helped them. With such nobber tendencies on display, for there to all to see, it’s a little difficult to take them seriously when they lay the charge at the feet of another.