:labour: New Old Labour in trouble

Stop abusive behaviour or be banned

No.

Trust me there is an equal or higher number in real life than there is in Politics

Originally posted by @BTripz

Stop abusive behaviour or be banned

That’s one way to get rid of the rebel MPs :lou_lol:

Genuine question…

And before I ask it, I should say that I find any intimidatory or abusive behaviour unacceptable.

Did the 45 female MPs suffer abuse specifically due to their gender?

I see that some have said they have suffered threat of rape, but others claim simply to have had cars smashed, windows smashed and death threats.

I say simply because I don’t see the connection to gender - such that 45 female MPs should band together to complain - as females.

Again, for the avoidance of doubt this abuse is wrong, but why create the impression that Corbyn and his followers think of women as lesser humans or worthy of intimidation?

Frankie Boyle

Corbyn hasn’t formed a strong opposition, say a parliamentary party who voted for renewing Trident, bombing Syria, and cutting benefits. Really what Labour MPs are selling is a sort of nihilism. They have grown up in a party where their core vote had no option but to vote for them, and where until recently members had little power. So they’re going to go into a leadership election asking their members to, essentially, abandon hope. The only time most Labour MP’s are going to try and inspire the working class these days is if they need a new kitchen fitted for a short-notice dinner party.You have to wonder how they’d fare under the same media scrutiny as Corbyn, particularly after a week where the Syrian bombing they voted to get involved in killed 85 civilians and one of the rebel groups it was supposed to support beheaded a child.

I suspect that the rape threat is the unifying factor. Whilst not all have had this kind of threat, I think there is an element of solidarity going on.

Who the fuck threatens to rape or kill someone because of their politics. What kind of sickos are in the labour party?

Don’t say Pap, I know what kind of sicko he is :lou_wink:

I know your questions are largely rhetorical, but to spell out the answer you’re floating, it is probably a calculated move, probably got bugger all to do with Corbyn’s supporters having any kind of aversion to women (more on this later), and everything to do with creating the false perception that Corbyn supporters are abusing females online.

Having an all female group announce that abuse is a problem simultaenously makes it sound worse and makes it more difficult to challenge. Let’s be honest, there are people out there that don’t know what misogyny is because they’ve got a subjective experience of it. The arse slapping throwback from the 70s wouldn’t consider anything he thought sexist. At the other end of the scale, you’ve got people that are hyper-sensitive to any kind of criticism, and don’t know their abuse from their fair comment.

There are a couple of obvious problems with this approach. First, it’s not borne out by the experience on social media. Labour Abuse has been tracking incidents on both sides.

https://twitter.com/LabourAbuse

Second, they’ve forgotten the whole _sisters _part of that famous opening greeting. Whatever else Corbyn’s movement is, it’s not a single sex sausage fest. Corbyn’s female supporters have been adept at calling this stuff out when they see it. Many have been disgusted to see the female agenda warped for such twisted ends, saying it has put us back years.

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When you are developing a smear campaign the drip feed of nonesense is a vital part.

I believe this latest assault is to create the vague impression that Corbyn hates women.

Tabloids can now reference it whenever they fancy thus allowing the hard of thinking to embrace it as fact.

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Yep, I can see that.

But do I infer from the 45 female signatories that no male colleagues find rape threats unacceptable?

Ahh I see where you were going.

Don’t know why male MPs did not or, more likely, were not asked to sign the letter. Maybe the female MPs feel that the abuse directed at them was worse and wanted to make a point without it being labelled as just another whine for the 172 rebels, but I am just speculating.

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Interesting fact.

David Cameron vacated Downing Street quicker than Seema Malhotra’s people vacated their office, and he wasn’t even supposed to be going until October :lou_smiley:

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Ahh I see where you were going.

Don’t know why male MPs did not or, more likely, were not asked to sign the letter. Maybe the female MPs feel that the abuse directed at them was worse and wanted to make a point without it being labelled as just another whine for the 172 rebels, but I am just speculating.

Surely Occam’s Razor applies.

Q: What have the PLP been rebels been doing since day one of the coup?
A: Trying to undermine Corbyn through foul means

So using this Occam’s Razor malarky:

Q: Why did the women of the PLP write to JC regarding the abuse they are getting?

A: they are sick of it and feel that JC hasn’t gone far enough to address it

Pickfords are ace

Every time that bloke has spoken he says he condemns abuse of any kind. He’s getting death threats himself, but is not making a thing of it.

Just what is it that they (and you) expect him to do:-

a) that he’s not already doing
b) that is appropriate for him to do

??

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SamCam wouldn’t get jiggy with him until they moved out!!

Originally posted by @BTripz

Originally posted by @pap

Interesting fact.

David Cameron vacated Downing Street quicker than Seema Malhotra’s people vacated their office, and he wasn’t even supposed to be going until October :lou_smiley:

SamCam wouldn’t get piggy with him until they moved out!!

edited for you.

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The reason I’m sensitive to the whole Jeremy versus Females thing is that it’s obviously a battleground that is being drawn-up and fought over ahead of a future general election.

May’s first speech addressed inequlaity - and touched on gender and she was famously feminist in her time as HS.

Shortly afterwards, Corbyn delivered a speech where he said he would strive to create gender equality - even The Bear picked up on it.

And now, we see the rebels attempting to throw female-hating mud at the Corbyn campaign.

I stress that I don’t know that Corbyn and his supporters are not misogynistic, but I’m intrigued about the choreography here.

It seems that the PLP rebels are attempting to slur (if it is just a slur) Corbyn outside of the Labour leadership election and to damage him in front of the general electorate.

I might be seeing a pattern that doesn’t exist, and it might just be about getting female Labour members on side.

This is a fantastic open letter from Dr Russell Jackson. He writes to his MP, articulates himself well and destroys a few canards in the process.

Further, it is simply incorrect to state that Labour under Jeremy is unelectable. This mantra is speculative at best. Time and again since he became leader the Labour vote has almost exclusively been better than anyone predicted. I’m sure you’re familiar with the concept of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Just last night a friend who is fiercely patriotic, pretty much despises all politicians yet has always voted Labour, understands anti-immigration views and hates the corporatist/financial establishment, told me he had now joined the Labour party to defend Jeremy against the ill-informed coup. This speaks volumes to me and the PLP should take note.

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Only half joking :lou_lol: