Just seen the clip - there are clearly dark forces at work trying to build a smear campaign over any minor incident.
Very odd.
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Originally posted by @Rallyboy
Just seen the clip - there are clearly dark forces at work trying to build a smear campaign over any minor incident.
Very odd.
Len McClusky was in the news this week suggesting similar, and getting mocked for it by Corbyn’s opponents.
Thanks to the 30 year rule, we know it’s not a stretch. The same dark forces had informants at the highest levels within the union movement, now a matter of released public record.
Why are so many of our politicians so venomously deceitful?
Greed? Control? An obsessive thirst for power?
If you took the percentage of arseholes in most industries I reckon it would be way lower than in politics.
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The Tube is strong with you young papakin.
Plus I was watching the last Peaky Blinders.
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It’s like the Premier League of cuntiness.
Yep, RB, like I said in my previous post, I’ve no way of definitively knowing the truth or otherwise of these accusations of abuse / threatening behaviour etc; but, it seems to me that either there is some truth in them or there are several score of Labour MPs orchestrating a deceitful smear campaign against Corbyn … or, I suppose, a bit of both.
Whatever it is, it’s casting a sad reflection not just on the Labour Party but on British politics in general.
Things are genuinely being lied about or being thrown out of all proportion. The episode this morning appears to boil down to person quitting job, with staff quite reasonably seeing if they still need the office of state a month later.
When John Humphries questioned Angela Eagle on the compatibility of her voting record on Radio 4’s Today. she accused him of being one those “nasty internet memes”. She actually gets close to the truth. There are tons of memes which simply bullet-point her voting record. My “nasty” contribution was shared here, on this thread, simply illustrating that she was planning to win by keeing him off the ballot. For Angela Eagle, “nasty” has meant critical, even when that criticism is entirely fair game based on her record or conduct.
A final example, for now. Owen Smith, billed as the unity candidate, is raking up the claims of anti-semitism again, claiming that none existed in the party before Corbyn got the leadership, perhaps oblivious to the fact that all the cases under review by the independent investigation bar Livingstone’s radio gaffe pre-date Corbyn’s ascension or nomination as leader. He also ignores the conclusions of the independent investigation, to purposefully smear Labour members. Unity, he says.
There’s a campaign on. Corbyn will be up and down the country. People are going to be free to catch the cut of the man and his supporters’ respective jibs. The abuse thing is the only tactic these ideologically bankrupt chancers have got to play. They’ll play it hard. Go along to one of the meetings, and you’ll no longer believe the hype.
Politics and industry have merged. Owen Jones, who must have splinters in his arse on account of his fence-sitting, actually provided much of the rationale for legitimate public discontent in politicians, in his excellent book The Establishment and How They Get Away With It.
He describes a world where government mandarins and executives are shuffled into each others’ worlds, and the phenomenon of interests between government at many levels, from civil service to MPs and ministers. I’ve mentioned the stat before, but another Jones’ revelation is that we have the highest number of former Parliamentarians on company boards in the developed world.
If you had to boil it down, you’ve got to say that lobbying is playing a massive part in the problem. Both economic and foreign policy have been influenced by donations, either to individual MPs or political organisations. People used to moan about the influence of the unions, but at least they had democratic principles behind them. The lobbying culture is far worse, in my opinion, keeping truly positive changes off the agenda at the behest of those with deep pockets.
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It really is coming to something when Peter Hitchens of the Daily Mail is about the only journalist showing some honesty. The piece at the end of his column is very enlightening regarding “Brickgate”.
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Oh, the horror! I think I agreed with everything he’s written there.
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Something of a strawman there. You been hanging out with this dude? 
Everything is a strawman for you if it doesn’t match your own narrative, which appearts to be no more than thus.
Left of centre who don’t believe Corbyn can win a GE = Traitors. Blairites.
Left of centre who believe Corbyn can win a GE = True brothers.
Centre ground = Gutless Blarites who believe in nothing and who don’t matter as long as we are of pure left wing ideology.
Tories = Who gives a fuck, as long as Labour is pure that’s cool as we can’t beat them anyway.
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Succinctly self-defeating. Cheers.
Originally posted by @Flahute
Everything is a strawman for you if it doesn’t match your own narrative, which appearts to be no more than thus.
So your complaint is that everything is a strawman.
Left of centre who don’t believe Corbyn can win a GE = Traitors. Blairites.
Left of centre who believe Corbyn can win a GE = True brothers.
Centre ground = Gutless Blarites who believe in nothing and who don’t matter as long as we are of pure left wing ideology.
Tories = Who gives a fuck, as long as Labour is pure that’s cool as we can’t beat them anyway.
Which is followed up by four straw men points 
Fuck knows why I’d need you to interpret for me, guv. I’m known for articulating my own thoughts without help.
Say hello to Aunt Sally for me.
This is interesting. January circulation figures for each newspaper. The Sun has lost almost half its circulation in six years.
Perhaps not everything will revolve around it by 2020.
| Title | 2016[8] | 2015[9] | 2014[10] | 2013[11] | 2012[12] | 2011[13] | 2010[14][15] |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| The Sun | 1,787,096 | 1,978,702 | 2,213,659 | 2,409,811 | 2,582,301 | 3,001,822 | 3,006,565 |
| Daily Mail | 1,589,471 | 1,688,727 | 1,780,565 | 1,863,151 | 1,945,496 | 2,136,568 | 2,120,347 |
| Metro | 1,348,033 | ? | 1,362,893[16] | ? | ? | ? | ? |
| Evening Standard | 898,407 | 877,532[17] | 805,309[18] | 695,645[19] | 699,368[20] | 704,008[21] | 601,960[22] |
| Daily Mirror | 809,147 | 922,235 | 992,256 | 1,058,488 | 1,102,810 | 1,194,097 | 1,218,425 |
| Daily Telegraph | 472,033 | 494,675 | 544,546 | 555,817 | 578,774 | 651,184 | 691,128 |
| Daily Star | 470,369 | 425,246 | 489,067 | 535,957 | 617,082 | 734,311 | 779,376 |
| Daily Express | 408,700 | 457,914 | 500,473 | 529,648 | 577,543 | 639,875 | 674,640 |
| The Times | 404,155 | 396,621 | 384,304 | 399,339 | 397,549 | 457,250 | 508,250 |
| i | 271,859 | 280,351 | 298,266 | 293,946 | 264,432 | 133,472 | N/A |
| Financial Times | 198,237 | 219,444 | 234,193 | 275,375 | 316,493 | 383,067 | 390,315 |
| Daily Record | 176,892 | 203,725 | 227,639 | 251,535 | 291,825 | 306,872 | 323,831 |
| The Guardian | 164,163 | 185,429 | 207,958 | 204,440 | 215,988 | 279,308 | 302,285 |
| City A.M. | 97,259 | ? | ? | ? | ? | ? | |
| The Independent | 55,193 | 61,338 | 66,576 | 76,802 | 105,160 | 185,035 | 185,815 |
| The New Day | 40,000[23] | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A |
The Indy is in freefall - as are all locals these days.
The Echo has gone down from 100,000 twenty years ago to something like 16,000 today.
Nice to see the Sun on the slide but that is still a lot of people reading that + the Mail and the Express, and believing a load of crap.
I saw the front page of the Star and their lead story was that Christopher Biggins is going to be highly paid on Big Brother. 
I can only imagine that there is nothing more newsworthy going on in the world.
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They’ve all lost circulation, apart from those that have gone free.
The rate of loss on Murdoch’s paper is encouraging. 2011 would seem to have killed it. Half a mil in one year, never recovering. Leveson had an effect, after all.
Great news for Biggins!