Fret not, papster. The chap in question is an old friend of mine. You’ll also have seen him briefly in GoT.
Well, he’s very good. You pointed him out earlier and I didn’t spot that they were the same guy.
Yeah, he acts and does some stand-up under his regular stage name of Richard Rycroft. He created Magnus Turner MP a few years back as an additional string to his bow. He came second in the Old Comedian of the Year awards a couple of weeks back with the Turner character.
I think he looked more than a little different in GoT!
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I got my Labour NEC ballot this morning. The last time I submitted NEC papers, all I really had to go on was the blurb that I got in the CLP meeting. This time, we’re organised, or more accurately, more spontaneously interested 
Just voted the whole left slate to the NEC. The names are going around Twitter, everyone knows exactly who to vote for. The secret ballot to keep Corbyn off the ballot wasn’t super close. 18-14. This can only help Corbyn long term, and harm the rebels. Even if they win the leadership election, which I doubt, Unite have recommended mandatory reselection and a left-leaning NEC could be moved to implement it, especially after all the skullduggery of the last few weeks.
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Originally posted by @pap
The secret ballot to keep Corbyn off the ballot wasn’t super close. 18-14.
jeez closer than i would’ve expected
Remember that the NEC is pretty small, and will still contain people that believe in the centrist way of doing things. It’s a good result in the context. I cannot see him being overturned again if the membership goes the same way I did with their NEC choices.
Realistically, the Labour Party has had some sort of internal conflict for decades. Blair and pals papered over the cracks for a bit, but Iraq alienated much of their core support, and even before then, left-wingers were being cowed into submission on the basis of electability.
Corbyn’s nomination and eventual election as leader has brought that war out into the open. I genuinely thought it nasty enough in the 17 days between coup announcement and actual leadership challenge, but the shenanigans this week have been truly Party splitting. There’s no way the church stays as broad as it is.
As it goes, I don’t think the rebels would have survived what they tried with Corbyn. Their conduct since has really been aimed at Corbyn supporters, and what a fucking shambles it is, perception wise.
There are 100,000 paying Labour Party members unable to vote, due to a six month cutoff. After all the bollocks about hard left entryism, you have Angela Eagle overtly encouraging her supporters to do exactly the same, except paying £25 for the privilege. The Labour Party is supposed to have the back of the poor, yet it raises the cost of voting to £25. Do you think anyone relying on a foodbank, that might really benefit from the redistributative policies Corbyn is offering, has £25 to spare so that they can vote for him?
Scandalous stuff, really. Completely unbecoming of the Labour Party, and done in full view of the public. Why would these anti-democratic toerags secure votes?
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Hard left socialists calling the shots. Who would have guessed.
Militant for the 21st century.
Originally posted by @Flahute
Hard left socialists calling the shots. Who would have guessed.
Militant for the 21st century.
That’s one, very centrist way of looking at things
I have to wonder Flahute, you say you have no ideological differences with Corbyn. You say you a Green party activist. I’m left wondering a couple of things. First, why the slavish support for a wing of a party you don’t belong to, and is far to the right of the party you do belong to?
Second, do you not have any deal breakers? What do these guys have to do to attract any criticism from you? While I would probably accept that Labour needed to do the Faustian deal with the right back in the 1990s, the disrepute that these buggers have brought the party and the movement into is something I just can’t deal with.
How much would be too much, for you personally?
have a look at Rowenna Mason in the Guardian Pap. Your not going to like it.
The Brighton thing?
Believe it or not, stuff like this helps. The more undemocratic crap the right wingers get up to, the greater the reaction when this is finally sorted.
I do not know how many times I have to say it, I want a left wing leader who is electable. Corbyn isn’t. Simple enough for you.
Also, I’m not a Green activist. I joined the party when Blair sent us to war.
Fair enough, then. There’s nothing you won’t accept. Everything is fine, including having a bunch of politicians that have overtly shown themselves to be anti-democratic and deeply unfit to run a government.
Any cost for power, eh?
But oddly, no articulation whatsoever*
* This Sour Mash style post was sadly inevitable
All shocking stuff. The £25 membership and back dated eligibility stinks. Party of the people, but if you’re really poor, no vote for you!
Think they’ve earned the name cunts for eternity.
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Pap, What Flahute is saying is reasonable enough - he doesn’t believe Corbyn is electable and Corbyn may have all the best intentions in the world, but they are fuck all use if he is not in a position to implement them. I think you are being a touch too argumentative.
They have if they win.
I think they’re trying to get people to quit in disgust. All we need to do is hang on and vote, both in the NEC elections and the leadership election.
After that, and I can’t believe I’m about to say this, a process of detoxification is going to be required for the Party.
Yes, that’ll be the Labour Party. Which is why I can’t quite believe I said it.
I still think most people outside of the actual party do not care about the current in fighting and any middle road people will not vote for Corbyn and everyone i speak to who i know are not Labour voters say the same that they would not vote for Corbyn.
I really think we need a Labour government to undo the damage the Tories have done and have the opertunity to set up the Labour party ready for the next general election and Corbyn is not it.
Look at previous left wing labour leaders who have had the backing of the party they always fail when it comes to general election, and you can say that the people are moving and like Corbyn but come election time they will revert to the norm and wont vote for him, this has happened before and the labour leader looks like they have the following but come election time they lost.
Exactly. It’s really, really, not hard, unless you’re Pap.
At least someone else gets it.
Michael Foot is the last one. Almost a reversed set of circumstances, really. He was a left wing leader at a time when the unions were perceived as dirt, and people didn’t have a great deal of time for left wing ideas. We’re arguably getting toward the end of this ideological cycle. Rampant market ideas haven’t worked, people recognise that and there is an opportunity to do something else.
I know the papers called Ed Miliband “Red Ed”, but in practice, he voted along with Tory policies, didn’t really have anything to offer except a better bedside manner while we’re all sick with austerity, and was roundly rejected at the polls.
Times can and do change, whether you like it or not. You can’t reasonably call that wing of the party electable when they’ve not won a GE in 11 years, and many of their heavy hitters from the day are gone or disgraced. You can’t reasonably expect Angela Eagle or Owen Smith to win the Labour contest, let alone inspire the nation. One voted for the Iraq War, and equates criticism of her voting record with “Corbynista memes”. The other thinks its a good idea to privatise the NHS.
They cannot even decide which of them should challenge. Seriously, take a look at the complete emptiness and ineptness of their entire plan. If this is how they run a coup, how the fuck can anyone trust them to run a country?