Perhaps he should promise that he will put £350m a week into the NHS?
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Really? Are you seriously suggesting that the media put the boot into the Leave campaign? Did you see any newspaper headlines during that campaign? Which side did all the tabloids bar the Mirror noisily support, along with the (less noisy) Telegraph and Times? Didn’t look like big Remain fans to me.
They certainly put the boot into Corbyn, but to suggest they did that to the Leave campaign is sheer fantasy.
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I know there were right leaning papers supporting Brexit. Even some of those recanted at the eleventh hour, but the mainstream TV coverage and the noise coming out of the government was heavily leaning toward Remain, and as usual, working fairly well together.
The point is that the people were heavily leaned on to go one way, and went the other. I am not saying that all sections of the media were pro-Remain - just saying that the ones that were did things counterproductively.
The same things are at play now. Call a Leave voter a racist when he isn’t one and congrats, you’ve secured the vote to Leave. Corbyn’s supporters are getting tagged with all sorts of crap. Extremists. Trots. Thugs. I’m sure there is that element out there, but improperly applied, you’ll end up with the wrong results. Few people like being called those things anyway, even extremists, Trots and thugs.
I saw the papers on the vote day and it was landslide of stories encouraging people to leave.
Made-up figures on immigration, fantasies about future trade deals - it was wall-to-wall Leave PR.
Pap, I really think you have got this wrong. When it comes to a General Election, people do very much vote for the next Prime Minister as well as the party’s policies. This is why Michael Foot, Ed Miliband and now Jeremy Corbyn were never going to be elected.
Yep that’s the ones - acres of newsprint dedicated to the Leave campaign, much of it based on untruth, especially from the highest selling papers.
The Sun, The Mail and The Express were the worst - they treated the voters as if they were simpletons.
I think there is a lot to that. I think if you have a duff Prime Minister, they won’t vote for you.
That wasn’t my point though. If the Labour rebels split off and form their own party, they will never get elected. They rely on being called Labour.
We’re just over a year into a Tory government. We’re already down to the second-stringers, and we’ve got a Remain PM about to prosecute Brexit. Tories have every chance of losing voters.
That’s why the Labour Party needs to get shot of these guys.
Corbyn can win elections on council housing and social projects, but not if he’s being undermined.
I think the vote proved them right…
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See i don’t think he can get elected on those issues as I don’t think the middle of the road and slightly right wing people you need to win an election really care as they will just see those issues as more things that they will have to pay for.
Also in this day and age it is about spin, spin and more spin no matter what else you try that will win.
As I see that a lot of the brexit vote was decided over the last few years where the papers have vilafied and blaimed the imagrants for all our troubles for years. Don’t get me wrong if you beleive that the economic’s of this country will be better out thats your right but a lot of the vote was decided on imagration. (but thats for the other thread)
I think personally it just proves that spin sways peoples votes and Corbyn wont win under those cercomstances.
Originally posted by @Stevebish
See i don’t think he can get elected on those issues as I don’t think the middle of the road and slightly right wing people you need to win an election really care as they will just see those issues as more things that they will have to pay for.
Also in this day and age it is about spin, spin and more spin no matter what else you try that will win.
Corbyn and pals have continually said they’re going after corporate tax avoiders. Corporations have a lot of power, but they can’t vote in elections. There’s also going to be new money created for infrastructure, from nothing. We usually just create that for debt.
Voters aren’t going to have an issue if that’s the plan. I’m not suggesting we’re going to turn every oligarch into a flat-capped socialist. Some people just wouldn’t vote Labour full stop.
The rest are up for grabs.
I think personally it just proves that spin sways peoples votes and Corbyn wont win under those cercomstances.
Spin goes both ways. Are you honestly suggesting that a cohesive Labour can’t make headway against whatever the Tories end up being. The situation is fucked at the moment, but it was always going to happen, and as long as nobody calls a general election anytime soon, Labour should get some distance away from this mess and some to heal.
We’ve established the power of the press, and we also know that you don’t have to deliver on election or referendum promises, you just need to have a good excuse up your sleeve for later, or a media that won’t ask the awkward questions.
It’s naive to believe that Corbyn’s admirable approach can overcome all.
Pap I’ll be honest and I’ve said before I don’t completely have the same view as you but I’m not far away from where you are and I have read all of your arguments and I just don’t agree in that in my view and only my view that Labour with Corbyn in charge can win the middle ground voters.
And spin will paint him as a far left winger and if the sun go against him which it most probably will then he is finished sorry but the sun just reaches to many people
Another hat in the ring, it seems. Were I a member of the Labour Party I’d seriously consider giving this man my vote:
Originally posted by @Fowllyd
Another hat in the ring, it seems. Were I a member of the Labour Party I’d seriously consider giving this man my vote:
Even though he’s a comedian on a wind up? 
Leaves post in state of anxiety, not knowing whether Fowllyd knew that up front 
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We’ve entered a new phase of the Labour war. Dirty tricks have long been weapons in the arsenal of the chicken coup plotters. Now that we know Jeremy Corbyn is definitely on the ballot, the fire has turned on Corbyn supporters, and I have to say that they’re very organised.
Fake Twitter accounts, to the extent where an entire branch of Momentum has just sprung from nowhere, just to make vile comments posing as Corbyn supporters. Momentum Reigate simply doesn’t exist as a political organisation, yet it has _members _making comments in the Twitter space. They followed me today. I am justly proud.
On the actual Corbyn side, Unite have just passed a motion for mandatory reselection of Labour MPs every five years at Conference. I think what many have forgotten, perhaps on this thread too, is that the PLP is just the Parliamentary component of the Labour movement. 500K members. 3 million affiliated members.
I think they’ve had enough of a couple of hundred people throwing their weight around
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The latest wheeze by the plotters has just been revealed. Tens of thousands of union members have been barred from voting in the leadership election. Anyone who joined a union in the last six months is barred from taking part. How desperate are they FFS. Without unions there would be no Labour Party. Why don’t they just go the whole hog and bar all members from voting. It is quite obvious that the PLP are absolutely shameless in their desperation to get their way. Tom(Mr Fixer) Watson’s fingers are all over this latest attempt to corrupt democracy. Of course he will know all about corruption. This morning it was announced that at the end of June he received a ‘donation’ of two hundred thousand pounds from Max Mosley. The donation was “to support my office as deputy leader and shadow cabinet office minister”. Two hundred grand! From an extreme right winger with Nazi sympathies! And Watson is leading the attempts to force Jeremy Corbyn out because Jeremy is, ‘too extreme, unelectable to ordinary Labour voters, etc etc’. The man must think everybody is stupid. Nobody, no matter how rich they may be, gives 200 grand to a member of parliament out of the goodness of his heart, especially an extreme right winger giving it to a so called socialist. To help him run his office my arse! To help him run Corbyn out of town is more like it. There are no levels these bastards will not stoop to, they will even ally themselves to people like Mosley if it will help them get their way. They are desperate to get rid of Corbyn not because he is “unelectable” which is the mantra they have all been parroting for months, courtesy of Alistair and the boys at Portland Communications, but because they are increasingly becoming terrified that the opposite could be the case. They have worked out that Jeremy Corbyn is the real deal, a real live idealist who can’t be bought, who is putting forward policies that,(when they are allowed to be heard), are increasingly striking a chord with many many ordinary people, especially the young, the next generation of voters. He is enthusing them. This makes him a very dangerous beast indeed, not just to the New Labourites with their sharp suits and their packaged principles, but to the establishment as a whole, the minority 10% of ‘haves’. He will not sit at the feet of Rupert Murdoch and Paul Dacre like the rest of them. For all their false bluster about him being 'unelectable, they are scared. The PLP plotters have been undermining Corbyn since the day after he was elected leader, acting as the useful idiots for Blair, Campbell, Mandelson and co. All this bollocks about them having lost confidence in his leadership is exactly that, bollocks. They were doing all they possibly could to stop Labour winning the Oldham by election a few weeks after he became leader, briefing against him forecasting a Labour wipeout right up to the day of the vote. Likewise the local elections. Even after Labour won the by election with a larger majority, and defied all their forecasts of doom in the local elections, they still kept it up. The truth is that the Blairite MPs and their masters at Portland Communications would rather have the status quo, i.e a Tory government, than a Labour government which would implement anything remotely like socialist policies. It is all about them, the lifestyles they have become used to. Naked self interest. They are treacherous and a disgrace to the Party they purport to represent. Events over the past 48 hours or so prove beyond doubt that they will stop at nothing to get their way.
News just in, Anti Corbyn women Labour MPs are having an organized crying session outside the HQ of the Guardian on Saturday afternoon, everybody welcome!
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Oi! 200K is 8,000 votes!
