I may be getting old and senile, but can someone help me with this please? How the fuck can you have a leadership challenge if the leader isnt on the ballot form? Surely then you just replace one with the other, in which case that makes it a coup in my book!
Are they dead yet?
Oh i don’t think she needs to spell it out mate, anyone who looks at her voting record as an MP, e.g. for the Iraq war, then consistently voting against having the inquiry, plus her treacherous behaviour over the past few months, can only come to one conclusion,i.e. she is a ‘right one’. Part of her problem is, of course, that she has allowed herself to be seduced, then manipulated by an ‘absolute bunch of them’!
Breaking news - Jezza CAN defend leadership in a ballot! Yay!
Corbyn is on the fucking ballot, yo!
If you hear a lot of cheers tonight, it’ll be left-wingers.
Halle-fucking-lulah.
Bring it on, Bitterites.
Who you got? Grr! Grr!
pap shadow-boxes in corner*
* only political boxing is intended
Pap. What happened in your opinion?
You will be entirely unsurprised to learn that this is not the first time I have suffered a Scrappy Doo reference.
Let me at 'em!
Let me at 'em!
Originally posted by @Dubai_Phil
Pap. What happened in your opinion?
Legal advice, new media and public pressure - all working hand in hand.
The rules are pretty unambiguous, and this contest today is demonstrative of the approach that the PLP has taken the whole time. They have tried to win this contest through foul means throughout. The rules are fairly unambiguous; god knows how much lawyer cash they spent getting some semblance of a case together. Lord Sainsbury was apparently bankrolling Progress, the party-within-a-party, so thankfully their treachery wasn’t being paid for out of the party membership.
New media has been immense in resisting this move and building awareness, especially Facebook and Twitter. I wouldn’t say that we’ve been organised exactly, more spontaneously interested, but it has definitely created public pressure, helped common interests to coalesce into something formidable rather than the Free People Of Galilee (no matter what they say, they didn’t get there first).
They all combine. Peons like us wouldn’t normally be privy to top quality legal advice from Michael Mansfield QC, but in this day and age, we are. The establishment rags can’t not report this level of information, because it’s so authoritative. The old channels are still there, and they still spout their stuff. BBC journalists used to be internationally respected. They’re now domestically held in contempt. That was unimaginable 25 years ago, and while you might chalk that up to youthful naivety, I’ve rewatched a lot of their content from that time on YouTube. There is some fearless shit there.
From the outset, it has been a dirty, counter-productive “honey bee sting” operation. Wikipedia describes it as such:-
When a honey bee stings a person, it cannot pull the barbed stinger back out. It leaves behind not only the stinger , but also part of its abdomen and digestive tract, plus muscles and nerves. This massive abdominal rupture kills the honey bee. Honey bees are the only species of bees to die after stinging.
This is genuinely what has happened in the Labour Party. As stated before, the original and only aim was to take Jeremy Corbyn down by foul or unconstitutional means, today being the most recent example.
The staggered resignations were meant to be death by a thousand cuts.
The PLP rebels never realised it was death by a thousand stings. Each and every move ripped the arse out of them, both individually, and collectively, this latest one included. These people say they subscribe to values of “open and transparent democracy”. They have publicly demonstrated anything but.
One last thing. Most Labour members are going to elect the Corbyn slate to the NEC, irrespective of the decision today. There was a concerted effort on new media imploring people not to quit the party in the event that he was kept off and vote in the NEC.
The first thing a Corbyn-oriented NEC would have done in these circumstances is start looking into what happened today. I think many of the NEC members wanted Corbyn anyway. Anyone unsure would have considered the future implications, jumping to the right (sorry, I mean left) side of the fence.
So now you have a situation where Corbyn will probably win the ballot and they’ll be back to square one with a leader few of the PLP want. This could see the Labour Party split in two, maybe even the formation of a new party.
This is exactly what will happen, and the tories will be laughing their cocks off right up to the next election
May has already laughed off hers.
Great news, the members will vote for him to remain without a doubt. At least one remain vote this year!!
Maybe so, but it’s not good for the country which needs a strong opposition. The problem is Corbyn does not represent the majority of Labour voters, just the majority of party members.
Standby for a new centre-left party that ends up with more MPs, when they defect, than Labour and becomes the official opposition.
I don’t see it going down that way. There are some relatively well sourced reports that some of the rebels were bullied into their stance by more truculent members of the Progress wing. Expect some to recant, ringleaders to be identified and deselected by their constituency MPs.
The general public has an expectation that MPs are behind a manifesto. Labour can’t be elected with these people in the mix. There is constant complaint from the general public that politicians don’t look like us, or share our concerns. There are 600K people in the party to choose from.
Every single perception problem the PLP had, it has made worse through this action. The ringleaders are finished.
So at the next election, there will be lots of MP’s telling us to have confidence in a leader they said they had no confidence in as they try to get our vote?
Stand by for obliteration. You are easily smart & knowledegable enough to know about the house of cards that the Bitterite faction created.
Have you ever heard the expression “you could put a red rosette on a pig and it would get elected”?
Name recognition is huge. Do you honestly now think that Hero Brownite Tom Watson is going to be respected, as a name, ever again? I wouldn’t be surprised if was a named dude in the fucking Gunpowder Plot. Yes, I believe his treachery can time-travel 
People vote Labour, not the candidate. The Blairites relied on that when they deselected all the left wingers. They are going to get destroyed on it this time
I’m still not convinced that the general public is ready to embrace the version of Corbyn that Murdoch will try to sell them.
But distancing himself from the bunch of fuckwits who are trying to defend the legacy of Tony Blair can only be a positive thing.
You simply can’t lead a party when over 80% of the elected MP’s have no confidence in you. I like Corbyn. People need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture.
