It changes nowt about her input to Hillsborough, but it should raise questions about her suitability for the office of Prime Minister. She signed this off.
She’s a tory, they’re all cunts. However, she could have easily buried Hillsborough but she didn’t so far fucking play to her for that.
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I’m not a great fan of Corbyn but that purely comes from the fact that i’m a royalist and beleive that his disrespecting the Queen by refusing to sing the national anthem pissed me off.
But lets be honest the Tories spent years minimising the effect of the labour vote by either splitting it up or ring fencing it, and i don’t beleive that they have been voted in with a magority of the country voting for them in years, its why the Tories hyjacked the proportional representation vote to make sure it didn’t get through.
With that in mind for a labour government to be voted in you have to appeal to the people who are middle of the road rather than left or right and i don’t think that Corbyn would get that as good a Labour leader as he is, i do not beleive that he will win a general election.
So to get a Labour government we need a new labour leader, I’m just sorry its not the other Millaband as i think he would be great and they picked the wrong one leading up to the last election.
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Labour and the Tories have been fighting for this “middle ground” for years, which has just led to Labour becoming Tory-lite and the further right section of the Conservatives gravitating towards UKIP instead. It would be more beneficial to both parties to avoid fighting over the centre ground with their bullshit “tough on immigration” pandering and to actually stand by their principles. People will lean either left or right depending on how the policies are sold to them at an election - if the parties are willing to change their policies solely to appeal to voters without a particular leaning then they clearly don’t have any real policies.
Your not wrong but in reality its about winning the election and then implementing the policies you want, but to win the election you have to appeal to the widest possible demagraphic.
And at the moment we need a labour leader to get the Tories out.
I’m not even sure it’s about policies, it’s about how you sell them. Large swathes of people who voted Tory at the last election (including several of my friends) didn’t really know what they were voting for, just that the Tories were “more responsible” and Cameron “is more like a Prime Minister than Miliband”.
Corbyn isn’t particularly fashionable (to say the least) but with a strong campaign and good performances in debates I think he could quite easily usurp the Tories imo. People do want something different and it’s about putting that option out to people in a way that they can understand. The Leave campaign was successful because they had clear and simple messages that got through to people, Labour can replicate that.
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I’m not going to take that VFTT, just because she’s a Tory does not make her a cunt. It just means she has a different opinion to you.
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The other thing worth mentioning is that close to Flahute’s home, the local CLP have unanimously passed a vote of no confidence in Tristram Hunt.
One school of thought would involve Stoke on Trent becoming a hive of Corbynista zealots.
Another would be that those Red Princes chickens are finally coming home to roost.
Anther thing worth mentioning is this. Just to show how low these plotters can go. A few more days to go though, you aint seen nothing yet.
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Originally posted by @Nottarf-Krap
Originally posted by @pap
The other thing worth mentioning is that close to Flahute’s home, the local CLP have unanimously passed a vote of no confidence in Tristram Hunt.
One school of thought would involve Stoke on Trent becoming a hive of Corbynista zealots.
Another would be that those Red Princes chickens are finally coming home to roost.
Anther thing worth mentioning is this. Just to show how low these plotters can go. A few more days to go though, you aint seen nothing yet.
https://twitter.com/LabourEoin/status/748817903894441984
Stop press. The list of 500 councillors calling on Corbyn to stand down has disappeared from social media after numerous said councillors said this is the first they had heard of it, denying they had said any such thing. Some of them have even complained that their signatures had been forged! The police should be called in. Just goes to show how desperate these Blairites are getting. Stand firm Jeremy. BTW, has Hilary Benn thrown his hat into the ring for the Conservative leadership yet?
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Off out in a bit to go to a rally for Corbyn in Liverpool. These have been happening all over the country, along with some very fractious CLP meetings. This is a report from Liverpool Riverside last night.
Liverpool Riverside CLP meeting displays confidence in Jeremy Corbyn and little confidence in Louise Ellman MP.
1st July 2016
About 150 members attended a packed meeting at the Eldonian Village Hall this evening. The chair opened by stating that no emergency motions would be taken, as she was unable to verify that all the members present were from Riverside constituency (a circumstance of course created by her running of the meeting, and by then a fait accomplis). This provoked indignation, and meant that a formal vote of confidence in Jeremy Corbyn couldn’t be taken, but in the end this did not make much difference, as those who spoke in the resulting ‘forum’ supported Corbyn, and denounced the ‘June plot’, formed an overwhelming majority. Furthermore, the meeting was a massive show of activist strength, and I for one came away with an address book bulging with new contacts.
Louise Ellman MP spoke first, reiterating the arguments about ‘electability’, and the Labour referendum campaign with which you will now be familiar. During the meeting there were five speeches in support of the ‘271’, including that by Councillor Dave Cummings of Wavertree Ward, who stated that it had been Corbyn, in September, who had performed the real coup; this is no doubt his sincere opinion. Of the other four, two more were from councillors, and one was from a LP member from a different constituency, if I heard her correctly.
But sixty-odd speeches, including many from new members, delivered hammer blow after hammer blow of support for Corbyn. One older man said: ‘there used to be twenty people in these meetings until Jeremy Corbyn “the man with no leadership skills” came along’. Others asked Ms Ellman what the plan was, now Corbyn had declined to go. Many, of course, expressed their unhappiness at the giddy disregard of party democracy, the treacherous coordination by the plotters with hostile media organisations, the fact that not one resignation letter had mentioned a single policy difference, and the 271’s refusal to turn their guns on the Tories when they ought to have been at Labour’s mercy.
Ms Ellman was given a few minutes to wrap up. As you might expect, she did not really engage with the criticisms raised. She did however provide one of the best laughs of the night: ‘Do not’ she warned, ‘fall into the trap of denigrating and rubbishing people who have been elected to office.’ Good advice indeed, and an irony worthy of Sophocles!
https://www.facebook.com/events/969597813138591/permalink/971384399626599/
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I’m back from the rally. Much better attended than anyone was expecting. Hundreds were anticipated. Thousands turned up.
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A few words on the Corbyn rally in Liverpool.
First, almost three times more people turned up than expected, which meant I didn’t get to hear any of the speeches, being at the back. A good mix of people, and very well organised. People were told up front not to carry banners from other parties (Bitterites say “it’s not a Labour crowd” if they spot people with SWP banners, etc). We began the rally outside BBC Radio Merseyside, the local symbol of government oppression 
After about half an hour of muffled talks bouncing around the corner, we marched into Church Street (Liverpool’s pedestrianised shopping area), heard some more talks, before eventually dispersing a couple of hours later.
One of the very encouraging things was talking to some of the old time Labour boys that were demoing before I was a twinkle in the old man’s eye. They claimed to have never seen anything like this before, which bodes well for his supposedly non-existent populist appeal.
It does provoke some interesting questions.
Where are the rallies supporting the PLP rebels? If these people are so electable and in tune with the public’s ideas, why is no-one out rallying for Angela Eagle or Hillary Benn?
Assuming someone pops a head above the parapet to challenge, what the fuck will any resulting leadership contest look like?
Corbyn pulls huge crowds when he’s not even present. The other candidates will struggle to muster anything remotely similar in person, particularly after the treachery displayed this week. How do they stop that playing badly? Green screen? Crowds added later in digital post production? 
Anyone stepping up to challenge is going to embarrass themselves.
Can we get it done quickly, ta? There’s a shitload of people waiting to build a political movement, and you’re kinda in our way.
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Interesting interview with Alex Salmond here.
Originally posted by @pap
Would have been better in GoT styles with the obvious twist on Winter is Coming!!
“It’s finished” - Chicken Coup plotters.
Now that’s all done, can we all accept neo-liberalism via Blairism was a colossal fucking mistake?
And Flahute, can you report foy your zealot training sesh, la? We need to bone you up on public ownership