Sorry but thats paranoid rubbish.
There’s no big conspiracy 
Then I would say that, cos i’m in on it. I’m part of the Blair/Campbell illuminati thing
There’s a lot of anger/frustration that Corbyn did little to counter the Brexit vote. He’s by nature anti Europe. It’s just realpolitik, he’s a decent bloke just isn’t the right man for the job. If he had any sense of the greater good he would quit. He’s now looking increasingly selfish and spiteful.
There will be a General Election soon and the Labour Party needs a leader who is credible and can appeal to people in traditional Labour areas. Over 70% of traditional working class areas in England and Wales voted Leave (mostly for anti immigration reasons) UKIP are gaining popularity
Corbyn being elected to leader of the Labour Party was just the political equivalent of Wagner on X Factor.
Interesting post, not-half, and Ted, I’m not sure you can dismiss it so out of hand.
As always the truth is somewhere in the middle - for me.
There are plenty of Labour MPs who think Corbyn is unelectable and believe they must be in power to do good.
I’m sure they are more than happy to fall in behind a coordinated bid to oust Corbyn - all for the ‘best’ of reasons.
How that campaign is driven and who is driving it, might reveal a group that are looking for a result that is convenient for Blair et al.
That timing of that Telegraph piece was interesting.
I’m amazed that Ted can dismiss it out of hand. Even the stuff on record, the staggered resignations, that Parliamentary Labour Party meeting where they all tried to break him as a man, the collusion with the BBC, points to some level of organisation.
How the fuck does all that happen without a conspiracy?
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I think the conspiracy Ted is having a problem with is the fact that this is anything to do with Chilcot.
I’m sure he see a conspiracy against Corbyn.
Ted?
I would like corbyn to stay on & be Prime Minister srs. I mean, I don’t think communism is really gonna work until we get armies of robots to do all the Work, but it will certainly be Drama, and I’m only in politics for the Drama.
In the BBC live news feed yesterday there was a quote from Alex Salmond saying he also believed there was some truth in the stories about the labour revolt being related to Chilcot.
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It is clear by the disgraceful way that Corbyn is being treated by some of his own MPs that there has been an orchestrated campaign against his leadership from day 1. My question from someone outside the Labour Party is this. Are the Party there to serve their members or to serve their elected MPs. If the paid up membership of the Party want Corbyn as leader surely the likes of Benn should stfu and get on with it or leave the Party. Are MPs there to self serve or to serve those who voted them in?
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Even if the Chilcot Report spells out on all 6000 of its pages that Blair lied in the run-up to the Iraq war, I, myself, don’t envisage that that will provoke a seismic shift in people’s voting patterns; certainly not one large enough to ever elect Corbyn as Prime Minister.
Let’s face it, most people already believe that Prime Ministers and MPs lie to us, viz. the, at best, disingenuous behaviour of a variety of individuals – most likely including Corbyn – during the Referendum debate.
I don’t get this. If “over 70% of traditional working class areas in England and Wales voted Leave”, then why isn’t someone who is traditionally anti-Europe (i.e. Corbyn) going to get the traditional working class Labour vote in a general election?
Corbyn is being targeted by pretty much the entire political establishment because he represents what a politician should be (i.e. a conviction politician) and that scares the shit out of them because they’re all careerist scumbags who dont actually care about making Britain a happier, healthier, fairer place.
I don’t necessarily agree with Corbyn’s ideas, but I’d rather the country was being run by someone who cares about the people who live there than by a lying, selfish, greedy cunt like most of the others are. For me Corbyn represents a chance to change politics in the future and move away from it being a personality contest to a contest about ideas.
Cheesecake.
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Originally posted by @TheMightyOstrich
Originally posted by @TedMaul
There’s a lot of anger/frustration that Corbyn did little to counter the Brexit vote. He’s by nature anti Europe. It’s just realpolitik, he’s a decent bloke just isn’t the right man for the job. If he had any sense of the greater good he would quit. He’s now looking increasingly selfish and spiteful.
There will be a General Election soon and the Labour Party needs a leader who is credible and can appeal to people in traditional Labour areas. Over 70% of traditional working class areas in England and Wales voted Leave (mostly for anti immigration reasons) UKIP are gaining popularity
I don’t get this. If “over 70% of traditional working class areas in England and Wales voted Leave”, then why isn’t someone who is traditionally anti-Europe (i.e. Corbyn) going to get the traditional working class Labour vote in a general election?
I think you’re closer to political reality on this than TedMaul.
Corbyn didn’t treat the electorate like chumps during the referendum. He’s facing the challenge over that now, but it’ll be an asset to him in the future.
We’ve had debates on the Brexit ramification threads which question voter intention. I think it’s clear that many didn’t know what they were voting for, but those that voted Leave were voting for change.
Corbyn is being targeted by pretty much the entire political establishment because he represents what a politician should be (i.e. a conviction politician) and that scares the shit out of them because they’re all careerist scumbags who dont actually care about making Britain a happier, healthier, fairer place.
He represents the public’s ideal of a politician, which they’re only too happy to present themselves when it suits them. This is quite amusing. I had a Twitter exchange with Tom Watson a couple of years ago, and found myself breaking the “never retweet your own stuff” rule. It was worth it, dammit.
@papingu Come back. I’ll give you cover if the Stasi arrest you. Alternatively, keep digging at the people trying to make a difference.
@papingu I was hoping you’d say that comrade. Sign up and get some energy into the grass roots with me.
That same Tom Watson is pouring fucking bleach on the grass roots at the moment.
I don’t necessarily agree with Corbyn’s ideas, but I’d rather the country was being run by someone who cares about the people who live there than by a lying, selfish, greedy cunt like most of the others are. For me Corbyn represents a chance to change politics in the future and move away from it being a personality contest to a contest about ideas.
Wouldn’t we all?
I reckon if he survives this, gets the mandatory reselection thing through and starts getting policy put together with aligned minds, rather than those he feels obligated to include, he gets elected. They have thrown the fucking lot at the bloke, and I’m fairly disgusted that these people claim to inhabit the same political space as I do.
Makes the Lib Dem’s knifing of Menzies Campbell a few years back look positively benign by comparison.
I see the zealots are now bombading the rebels and their staff with death threats, threats against kids and threats of rape.
There really is no need after the Jo Cox tragedy.
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Originally posted by @Flahute
I see the zealots are now bombading the rebels and their stagg with death threats, threats against kids and threats of rape.
There really is no need after the Jo Cox tragedy.
Do you have an example? Or is this like the occasion in which a petition was taken down because it was decried “sexist” because of one or two comments among thousands.
Careful on how much you prosecute the zealot stuff. You’ll end up like Furball, a one dimensional machine of a poster dedicated only to knocking Corbyn supporters.
The funny thing is that he became 100x the zealot of any Corbyn supporter, just in the opposite direction.
Examples are in the Telegraph article I read via twitter in bed at 06.30. Lots have been none via email, twitter and phone and the OB involved in plenty and in one case ordering a Labour whip to lock down her CLP office.
Also reported yesterday how one Labour MP had a full on swearing fit at JCs media person in the lobby at Westminster after threats when he told her “it wasn’t personal” and she went batshit at him. I’m sure that story will pop up again on my twitter feed, I’ll post it when it does.
Not a great deal of support for Eagle, according to Politics Home.
EXCLUSIVE Angela Eagle leadership bid hit by MPs’ backlash
Written by:
- Kevin Schofield and Sebastian Whale
Posted On:
29th June 2016
Moves to install Angela Eagle as a ‘unity candidate’ to take on Jeremy Corbyn have been hit by a backlash from Labour MPs, PoliticsHome has learned.
Angela Eagle is planning to challenge Jeremy Corbyn for the Labour leadership Credit: PA Images
Many are angry at former shadow minister Chris Leslie’s attempts to drum up support for her - and the involvement of the Blairite campaign group Progress.
One said: “Chris is annoying the f*** out of people.”
I think you’ll find that in 90% of MPs cases (in all parties) that it is the former, there are very few MPs that are in in for the latter!