Wouldn’t have a clue as I never read political opinions in any newspaper and certainly never read one of hers. Unlike some, I’m a free mind.
Begging strategy has been abandoned after complete failure.
Jeremy Corbyn has decided to tough this out - Tom Watson
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The Labour leadership election trigger will apparently be a 3pm tomorrow.
Good luck, PLP - both in the elections and your CLP meetings. I can see some people disagreeing with your decision.
I wonder who it will be.
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Angela Eagle.
Thanks bletch.
Of course, she’s just the initiator. There’ll be others crawling out of the woodwork. The reports from the PLP meeting on Monday night sound utterly disgraceful. I read one story indicating that an “Eagle ally”, which indicates her perceived strength in the race. I’ve a feeling she’s the sacrificial animal here.
It’s not just that they’ll lose. How do a lot of these MPs, some of which are in very safe seats, go back to their local area and do their CLPs and constituencies.
The plotters have abrogated any meaningful position of representation.
I get the same sense - she’s taking one for the team.
It’s excruciating to watch, but it has to happen.
And whatever Corbyn’s likely victory will mean - schisms, new parties, opposing factions trying to work together - also has to happen until we can get a credible, united, left-leaning opposition.
But I’m not expecting that to be in place for many years.
Sorry, I’ve just re-read that bit and the Eagle ally thing makes no sense.
The Eagle ally reckons they’ve the numbers. It really speaks to what they think the Labour party really is. The ten big unions are behind Corbyn. The membership is behind Corbyn, both in terms of CLPs and member support. Pinch of salt required, but one of my Twitter peeps reckons you can near double that 13K signup.
I said in the other thread that ms pap attributed the referendum thing to people wanting change. That video I posted just now alludes to it. The Remain camp tried many scare tactics, but that’s never going to work on people that feel they already can’t cope. “How much worse can it get?”, they might wonder, and “btw, fuck all you politicians who think we have it good”.
People are turning out for him all over the country. I’m going to a rally on Saturday and am going to see some friends I haven’t seen for years.
Not implying that we’re in any sort of dispute over this issue, but name me one other contemporary politician that can inspire that.
They’ve no-one with that political sex appeal, and they know it.
As you say, it’s going to be fucking excruciating to watch. I’d suggest New Failure as a possible name for their harmless breakaway operation.
Sotonians is taken 
Beware of leadership challenges - wily Bletch may have been gathering his allies ahead of a coup while you’ve been at Mudfest…
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That would be beautiful, but bletch does not have all the keys to the kingdom.
The moment the coup happens, I’ll redirect sotonians.com to Plenty of Fish.
Good luck explaining that to significant others, yeah?
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Hey Pap, can you not see how it may be beneficial for Corbyn to step aside?
Hey Ted, can you explain the benefits?
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There’s going to be a general election soon. I really like Corbyn but if Labour has any chance of Government he has to make way. There will be a split in the left vote and UKIP are now, whether you like it or not attractive to millions of disinfranchised voters.
Most Labour MP’s are decent, principled people and don’t have an agenda against the hard left.
I’m sorry but if you talk to people Corbyn is just not electable to prime minister and if we want a labour government then labour need a new leader
He only stood for Labour leader as a last resort. He was nominated as the token left wing alternative guy, only after Diane Abbott said “I did it last time etc.” And with all the cynicism he’s now the new best thing. He’s not. He’s tired.
I think we are all talking to other people.
The diverse crazy world we live in.
I’m tired 
Sorry got carried away
Corbyn snuck onto the ballot with the merest number of nominations. It’s true that the PLP thought he had no chance, so put him in as the token leftie.
What I just don’t accept is that he’s not electable, now or then. He got elected as Labour leader in a landslide, Membership of the party has doubled since he took office, and experienced a big surge this week.
Now I may be oversimplifying, but winning elections and bringing people into your party that are either apathetic or had no previous interest in politics shows that he is, actually electable,
Vote share has increased in southern marginals too,
Of course he’s tired. It can’t be very pleasant being on the receiving end of the David Kelly treatment. Anyone doubting this should remember the treatment he received, and compare and contrast with the treatment Corbyn is receiving. From the very same people. Continuous character assassination and dirty tricks. This ‘coup’ has been planned for weeks. The Telegraph exposed this three weeks ago, even down to the co-ordinated resignations, every hour on the hour, to maximiize damage by catching the rolling hourly news headlines. Alastair Campbell is still doing his master’s bidding. Hard at it this week, using senior members of their PR company to plant hecklers, like the guy who filmed himself heckling Corbyn at the Pride rally, then sent the clip to all of the MSM, including the BBC, who all showed the clip and seized upon it as some kind of evidence that Corbyn was losing some of his support. If you or I filmed ourselves heckling Corbyn, then sent it to the BBC, Guardian et al does anyone believe they would all show it within the hour? Of course not. It turns out that the heckler was a Tom Mauchline, who just happens to be a professional PR man, who just happens to be a senior manager for the Blair/ Campbell PR firm Portland communications. The vast majority of the 170 odd MPs supporting the no confidence motion voted for the war in Iraq. Every one of them refused to vote against the Tory welfare bill cutting support to the poorest in society. Don’t forget Blair, Campbell and Co know whats in the Chilcott Report, they were sent copies prior to publication, inviting thier comments! Events of the past few days would indicate that they are clearly shitting themselves, and so are their fellow travellers in the Parliamentary Party. Their worst nightmare is that when the Chilcott report is published and debated in Parliament Jeremy Corbyn will get to his feet as the official leader of the opposition. That is what is driving this ‘coup’. When i read posts saying stuff like,"Ilike Corbyn, but…, which then go on to peddle the tired old Sun/Mail crap, unelectable, supporters are all “zealots”, he’s not “credible” etc etc, i just can’t believe how gullible people are. Allowing themselves to be taken in and used so easily by Blair/Campbell and co, it must seem like taking candy off a baby to them. Blair, Campbell, Mandelson and co have until July 6th, the date of the Chilcott publication, to get rid of Jeremy Corbyn, and the closer that date gets the more desperate they will become. I just hope that Corbyn can find the inner strength to stand firm and resist them in the face of their onslaughts. Probably not a wise move for him to be taking any lone walks in the woods though.
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