:labour: New Old Labour in trouble

That’s not losing the dressing room, that’s losing the city that the stadium is in!

That said, it looks like a list from Celebrity Big Brother - who the fuck are they?

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Del Piero? From footballing legend to shadow minister for young people and voter registration. I wonder what’s next for him?

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Deportation?

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So what happens once everyone has resigned, front bench, private secretaries, junior ministers etc and jezza then cannot find enough candidates to fill the holes

He is going to be the poilitical equivalent of a one man band

Surely then, as the people voted him in, he can get the people to run for those positions.

Owen Bennett@ owenjbennett 3m3 minutes ago

Angela Eagle, John Healey, Owen Smith and Lisa Nandy are about to resign after meeting with Corbyn. Drafting letters now.

Blimey, so the question is “How stubborn is jeremy”

HuffPostUK Politics@ HuffPostUKPol 5m5 minutes ago

Jeremy Corbyn refused to confirm he voted ‘Remain’ at EU referendum, claims Chris Bryant http://huff.to/28XVlYh

he’s still got Andy Burnham

Crucial times for Corbyn. I personally think he did the least wrong in the Remain camp. He was honest with the voters, for a start.

This is no reflection of his leadership, and nor is Brexit anything to do with him. If his positive case had been bolstered by decent arguments from other Remain campaigners, we might not be in this situation.

This shouldn’t be unexpected though. The leadership challenge has never been in question. It has always been inevitable and _mass _resignations have been expected when the day came. The only thing you could realistically gamble on is the trigger, and here is the best opportunity yet as seen by the Blairite or right wing factions.

It’s a clever enough trap, I suppose. They’re hoping that Corbyn catches the blame for the lukewarm result, but I’m not so sure they’re on as solid ground as they might believe.

The final arbiters of this contest are going to be the directly elected membership. Barring shenanigans to keep him off the ballot, they’re hoping that genuine anger over Brexit from Labour remainers will push some voters over from Corbyn’s vote. It’s a big roll of the dice. Hundreds of thousands have joined the party since Labour elected Corbyn as leader, _because _he is leader.

Bring it on. Gotta happen sometime, and now that _some _hands have been shown (there are more to come, believe me) we can start talking about deselection with some justification and a genuine means of accomplishing it.

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Originally posted by @pap

Crucial times for Corbyn. I personally think he did the least wrong in the Remain camp. He was honest with the voters, for a start.

Well given that he wants to leave europe and campaigned half heartedly to remain, I’m not sure how you can say he was honest.

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Originally posted by @pap

Crucial times for Corbyn. I personally think he did the least wrong in the Remain camp. He was honest with the voters, for a start.

Well given that he wants to leave europe

Where’s the hard evidence on that in 2016?

He voted out of the EEC in 1975, but is a forty year old decision based on a now-replaced political union relevant?

He voted against the Lisbon Treaty, but given what that represented, the acquisition of more sovereign power by treaty stealth, can you blame him?

Take a look at this Beeb article summarising his quotes on the EU. The spiciest thing they have is this.

At a GMB hustings Mr Corbyn said “I would advocate a No vote if we are going to get an imposition of free market policies across Europe”, before going on to criticise the “growing military links” with Nato and calling for trade union “harmonisation” across the bloc, “rather than just allowing it as a business free-for-all across Europe”.

and campaigned half heartedly to remain, I’m not sure how you can say he was honest.

He was both represent a perceived majority party position and setting the terms of any negotiations between a Corbyn led government and the EU.

Where you see dishonesty, I see is qualified support and agenda setting from someone that could be involved in negotiations. What would you have him do?

I’d have him play in the Euros instead of sterling

Secret ballot going on.

Result to be announced around 4pm.

I should have clarified in a previous post, but what the traitorous MPs are actually voting on is a vote of no confidence, which has no enforceable power. Corbyn is going to ignore that regardless apparently, and will force the rebels to launch an official leadership challenge.

If he can hold his nerve, I reckon the membership will both save him and abandon any idea of keeping Bitterites on the pews of the party’s broad church.

People in office chatting bout if Corbyn is the worst labour leader in history. I don’t know an awful lot about it. I tried them with that last guy, the one with the brother, and the close-set eyes, but they think Corbyn is worse. One guy said bout a Foot man, and that got debate going, but they decided Corbyn is more damaging.

Anyone know any other bad ones? I want to join in.

Neil Kinnock?

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None of that post was real. I was just trolling on pap. Sry. I don’t know why i do these things srs.

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There’s a grass roots drive going on to get more members in to support Corbyn. I’d like to see how many sign up as the Labour coup rolls on.

Do you work in CCHQ? :smiley:

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I like his politics but he’s totally unelectable to the country at large and beating the tories is far more importnt than a bunch of zealots thinking he’s the new messiah of the left.

I swear they’d sooner be in opposition saying “yeah but we represent the poor and the weak comrade. We are true to our roots” than accepting a shift to the centre and actually doing something to help the poor and weak, like beating the Blues.