Having said that any deal is better than no deal really?) I can see why he feels that he needs to endorse the any deal, but he really doesn’t have to. It has nothing to do with the Labour Party and there will be elements that he will take issue with. I don’t think he gives a stuff about the right wing media, but I do think he is trying hard to be seen as The Reasonable One. In many cases that is fine. With something like this I am surprised that he hasn’t given it a very wide berth.
He’s an opportunist cunt that doesn’t do the things he ought to while simultaneously doing things he shouldn’t be.
There’s your explanation.
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And there was me thinking he is just doing what you have been telling all those ‘anti-democratic remoaners’ to do and shut up and accept Brexit is done and get on with it?
The irony is that you advocated Corbyn to be an ‘opportunistic cunt’ by making a full on Brexit conclusion part of his policy, as opposed to considering that 70% of those voted labour in 2017 also voted Remoan…
Is that a bad thing it it means the Tories get kicked out? Whatever you think of Corbyn and Starmer, Starmer doesn’t scare the floating voters like Corbyn did. All that bollocks about winning the argument shows how much out of touch with reality Corbyn was. You can’t do anything from the opposition benches other than make noise. To change things you need to get elected. Starmer looks like a man who wants to get elected rather than win an argument.
What a shame it is that you don’t win general elections with 70% of the Labour membership.
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You don’t win elections with 100% of the Labour membership - they aren’t the ones you need to convince
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Precisely. There’s no point preaching to the converted. It is especially pointless when the default mode of campaigning seems to be name-calling and demonisation.
I fucking despair when I see a meme reminding people that Jacob Rees-Miogg is rich and Tory, something that should seem self-evident by looking at the cunt.
The Labour Party has lost the power to convince, and it’s because they’re not convinced of anything.
- It was of those that voted labour in 2017, not membership
- Are you advocating doing what is necessary to win, as opposed to considering what your voters want? Yes, we have an archaic and undemocratic FPTP system that requires an element of strategy, but what what fucked Corbyn was the so called Northern working classes who suddenly came out all Farage… you know it, even if you won’t admit it. It was always the big dilemma for true socialists… Vote Brexit to stick it to the capitalist machine, or vote remain to maintain a more inclusive society and counter the little Farage/Mail/Express/Sun fuckers (the silent majority).
Fundamentally, The UK became a Tory nation post Thatcher and Brexit merely gave many the opportunity to express with with out being embarrassed by her legacy…
Indeed, but Pap missed the point, its was 70% of those that voted Labour in 2017, some 12 million voters, nothing to do with the labour membership
Therein lies the problem… he is becoming Blair v2.0 which alienates the hard core old schoolers and members… Is it any surprise that the only time Labour have won since Thatcher changed the ‘rules’ was when Labour came out all Tory?
I think you’re incorrect on that poll. It was the membership.
The party would have fared much better if it had articulated a good left wing case for Brexit. Sure, it would have lost the true Quislings to the Lib Dem, but they were never going to be electorally decisive anyway.
Do your fucking research son. I’ve missed nothing.
Really?
I ‘fucking’ did… son. Note this has fuck all to do with ‘Membership’ and all to do with Voters… the two are not the same, which is what I was pointing out you missed.
I will correct the 12 mil to 8.9mil as I used the wrong figure, but still estimated at 70%
(an apology might be in order… but not expected)
Exactly the point. I never liked Blair and found him slimy even as an MP, but he found a way to appeal to those who would not usually vote Labour, which is what Starmer is doing now. The usual spat within the party is a smaller issue which is only of interest to them. There are defectors who need to be won back and swing voters who need to be convinced that Labour offer a better way forward. It is frustrating for people like me, with no specific allegiance to Labour but wanting to see the Tories out, seeing the way that the Labour infighting defuses their energy from trying to get themselves elected through internal point scoring and not picking. If Labour can’t focus on removing this showing rather than fighting amongst themselves, they don’t deserve to get elected (which seems to be what many of them want).
Starmer voting for Boris’ Brexit. Corbyn voting against.
My, my. I wonder how the PV/FBPE crowd like that?
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Just listening to the commons Statement - Labour could do with a new shadow health secretary- he is making Hancock look statesmanlike
I’m not up to speed with these twitter hashtags, can someone tell me what they mean please?
See that you keep it that way. 