:labour: New Old Labour in trouble

FBPE were basically Tony Blair’s Flying Monkeys. Touting themselves as a pro-EU group, their main method of rejoining was attacking Jeremy Corbyn.

https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/rosie-duffield-brexit-labour-rejoin-the-eu_uk_5ff7394fc5b6fc79f4636e59?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvLnVrLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAL8CCTt8jx-0xbn0NX9GboL9-TWP2LeyIfK2GsZ2ohSyMG-SeohnrUpyJ1fgLTN_NnRCEZU7AKEhcF6Eyf3EUUtaT6wcNOK-VWtYD49E82OlV2ZBfcNo7AkpG9vOnQvV9IP-HOa47VEa5XB0LIiN9QUuZ52L3OIjU7FG9xEM_Yuf

That’s not helpful to the cause

Well I dont know what cause the Labour party stands for anymore. it is certainly not the workers and oppressed of society

Has anyone read the latest manifesto and seen how far away from it they are heading?

@pap what’s going on in your manor - reports that the council could have spunked up to. £100m on various dubious contracts

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Just been looking at that. I’m really not surprised with some of the characters involved. It’s not just the fat cunt, Deggsy is under investigation too, as is a local firm that they’ve awarded dubious contracts to, mandating another supplier to sub-contract them without relevant experience (sound familiar?).

The really depressing thing is that when considering Liverpool’s city region status, one of the key reasons for taking it was lack of money. Left as is, it would have been broke, lacking the money to run legally mandated services.

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Liverpool may have just broken the transfer record… for money going out of local tax coffers and into dodgy local businesses

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So the difference between Tory and labour politicians is that Labour politicians lack ambition when it comes to filling their boots.

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I think the similarity is any time they think no-one’s watching, they’ll try it on.

I am personally delighted that Anderson has been charged and hope they nail him on it. He’d already been pilloried for spending 89K of taxpayer cash on a personal court case.

If you wanted a better personification of a piggy with its nose in the trough, you’d do well to find a better example of pilfering porcine perfection than Joe.

Not for nothing is Joe Anderson known as ‘Back Door Joe’, and has been for years in Liverpool. Nobody I know up here, and I am close to some people who could be described as having colourful reputations, have been in the least bit surprised when Joe was hauled in by the old bill. It’s been common knowledge for years that Joe has always been amenable to receiving a ‘drink’. Although to be fair he’s not alone in that, a culture of corruption and backhanders has been prevalent in councils of all persuasions for generations in this country, going back to the 1970s with the Poulson and T Dan Smith scandal, which finished the political career of Tory Home Secretary Reginald Maudling.

Interestingly though, the police appear to be exercising a bit of caution, an application by Merseyside Police for his bail period to be extended until August had been submitted, but yesterday that request was suddenly cancelled. He remains under investigation, along with four others, one of whom is a well known Scouse property developer who has, given the circumstances, the rather splendid name of Elliot Lawless! But none of them have actually been charged with anything (yet), so I would hold fire with your celebrations for the moment Pap!
There is, of course, some raising of eyebrows at the spectacle of Honest Bob Jenrick, also known as three homes Jenrick, who has been embroiled in a parliamentary expenses scandal for claiming 100,000 pounds from the taxpayer for his third home, a mansion in Devon that he never lives in, being the minister sending in the squad to sort out the council for alleged corruption, misconduct and waste of public funds. A minister who admitted breaking the law so that a multi-millionaire pornographer and Conservative Party donor could avoid paying tax to a Labour local authority. Yet he’s still in place, having the brass neck to stand up in the Commons pontificating about misconduct and waste of public funds. As in most things in British politics at the moment, hypocrisy and double standards reign supreme.
In Britain, local government is infinitely more accountable and transparent than central government. When local government officers are suspected of wrongdoing, incompetence or misusing public funds, there are mechanisms in place for the police to investigate and for the officers to be suspended pending inquiries, and for the guilty to be removed.
That accountability is nowhere near replicated when it comes to the Westminster government. The final arbiter of wrongdoing by ministers is the PM. In our case, a failed journalist, fired twice for lying, who has never knowingly told the truth when an untruth was more convenient. Yet there is public outrage,(quite rightly) when there are dodgy dealings in local governments with a few million of public money being misappropriated, but nothing at all when the same thing happens to tens of billions in central government. It just goes to show the power of our MSM to create the agenda. All of them, politicians and media alike are laughing in our faces.

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I’ve noticed a couple of new parties who have cropped up on twitter looking to re-home disenfranchised labour voters.

In the North there’s the Northern Independence Party who have already announced quite a high profile candidate (Thelma Walker) to run against the parachuted in labour candidate Saudi Paul in the Hartlepool by-election.

The Northern Independence Party is a democratic socialist party, who are committed to uplifting the voices of our members. We were founded in 2020 to combat the injustice of the north/south divide.

Their logo (a whippet) over the abbreviation NIP is worth voting for alone. I had to check on the electoral commission website that this party is even real its website and twitter feeds are so amateurish.

For those in the South the Breakthrough party seems to be gaining some traction.

Our government has failed us

The things that make Britain great are dying. The two-party rule of the Conservatives and Labour have overseen our country’s steep decline and turned us into an embarrassment on the world stage. Enough is enough.It’s time to take our country back.

We deserve better

The Breakthrough Party will bring fresh ideas to the table and breathe new life into a political system that simply doesn’t work for us. We are not politicians, we are just ordinary people who have a vision of a country that works for everyone.

Obviously FPTP has fucked everything before it’s even begun but there will be huge numbers looking to tell Starmer and his crew to do one.

Are these acceptable vehicles to do that? Are there better options available?

NIP in particular is an interesting concept, there is a strong case for an independent North given the economic North South divide.

Labour fucked devolution up, imo.

Probably on purpose. They tried to make a country out of smoggies, Mackems and Geordies. Unsurprisingly no-one was arsed. Amazingly, that was the end of the devolution project.

The devolution referendum was before I was politically engaged so I can’t comment on what went wrong, but I do know that the divide is still real and that true independence from those responsible in Westminster is potentially a far more appealing proposition than devolution.

I’ve probably jumped the gun a bit on putting these two parties forward. It’s still early days for them both. Thelma Walker is herself a parachuted in candidate. She’s also a remainer standing in a brexit seat, it probably shouldn’t matter now Brexit is done but it’s not what you want to see in a flagship candidate.

Those behind the Breakthrough party seem a bit young from what I can see and there’s just not enough substance there yet.

I’m just impatient to see what happens next I suppose. It’s clear labour is fucked for the foreseeable future.

Interestingly the conservatives announced the other day that they were expecting a strong “post Corbyn” rebound from labour in the local elections whereas I’d heard that the Labour party have seen polling that has got them questioning Starmers leadership. They can’t both be accurate. I suspect the Tories were just using it as an opportunity to bash JC because they are still shit scared of his politics.

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I suspect that a few years down the line, when history is written on this pandemic there will be many in the government, and more than a few in the so called Labour opposition, who will attempt to lay the blame for the death toll, the PPE scandal, all of it, on Jeremy Corbyn. And there will be many many useful idiots out there who will swallow it. The one thing they will struggle with though is the naked and open corruption. The siphoning of countless billions in handshake untendered deals with friends and family, Party donors. I look forward to them trying to pin that one on him!

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I think they have a pretty good chance now that Starmer has split the right wing vote.

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I’d be amazed if anyone at all tried that one. And if anyone did, they would be immediately laughed out of court.

Focus.

Going for the right wing spot

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Denise Coates CBE - earned a salary of £421m in the year ending 29 March.

She also earned £48m in dividends, taking her total pay to £469m.

The company said the arrangements were “appropriate and fair”, despite sales falling at the firm last year

Her salary in the year to March was more than 50% higher than the £277m received in 2019 and meant she earned almost £1.2m every day last year.

That was more than the bosses of every FTSE 100 company combined, according to the High Pay Centre.

Meanwhile…

At least she runs it through 90% of it through PAYE - most people earning a fraction of that would be asking their accountant to find a way of cutting the tax bill

Her family paid £600m in tax :flushed:

Do they still own Stoke City? If so they should invest a few bob.