:labour: New Old Labour in trouble

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Isn’t VaZ in hospital with mental health issues?

I think it would be harsh to pass judgement on someone until they were fit.

He was fit enough to bosh a few lines and ram a few rent boys.

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The marching powder is probably the “mental health “ issue

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Ah, that old chestnut!

The treatment of Chris Williamson is not only shameful, but Orwellian.

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act

He was suspended because he promoted a film which essentially carried the message that the claims of AS in the Labour Party were inflated, and in some specific cases, were concocted. This is all backed up with hard evidence.

It’s cowardly but I suspect the calculus is that it’s common sense.

He’s been treated in the most disgusting and hypocritical way, but a Corbyn majority will see him reinstated.
It might be time to stop fighting for the other side.

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Adios

Look, I don’t know what phantom you all think you are arguing with, so earnestly, I’m ashamed of any of you that think I’ve become a rabid right winger. Not a vote winning statement, I know.

I will be voting Labour, not that it matters where I live, and possibly not when it matters right now. I am voting Labour not because I agree with their Brexit policy. I profoundly disagree with it and think it is a device employed by Blairite hardliners to Get Corbyn Out.

I’m not fucking falling for it. I will vote Labour because we fucking need a Labour government, especially one led by Corbyn.

They’ll get my vote, infested with centrist war-mongering bastards or not.

I believe that can be improved on. I think victory is everything, and that the victors dictate the terms. Corbyn could reshape the Labour Party like Blair did in 1997.

When they were throwing all the left-wingers out, the excuse was that it must be okay, because Blair won, resulting in a culture of centrist parachutees entirely unsuited to represent the constituencies they serve.

Just because I can conjure what the other side will use in this general election, do not think for a fucking second that I admire any of these people or have any intention of voting for them.

I will hold my nose to support Corbyn despite Keir Starmer’s Brexit position, confident that enough of us can affect change if he is elected.

It’s a big if, and it has been made a big if by a series of forced errors by knowing players like Starmer, Benn, Thornberry and McDonnell that will probably cost an election.

My biggest fear is that fear wins in the Labour Party. It’s on a roll now with Chris Williams being chucked out. If fear wins within the membership, and they go for a centrist candidate just to avoid the shit, we’re back to square 1997.

You’ve completely lost the plot.
Everything comes back to a single issue(however you dress it).
I don’t do social media but every post you put on here is basically an advert for the pfeffel far right, because he’ll deliver a no deal. He’ll also deliver a shit load more, although massively less regulated and destructive for the majority. So i assume you’re cheerleading for them across multiple platforms.

You dismiss this as speculation. Isn’t that the words of every tory since Thatcher?

I know who your really batting for for :wink:

Boris isn’t delivering no deal, and I don’t accept your binary criticism.

What seems to have sadly eluded many Sotonians is that politics isn’t a switch.

I have posted on this site for five years with a left wing perspective, but I’m not living in an echo chamber, nor am I fixated on a single policy issue.

Labour’s 2017 manifesto was excellent. The 2019 version will probably be worse, but still worth voting for.

If Labour had promised a confirmatory vote on deal or no deal, it would be gold-plated in the marginals it needs to win and would have respected its 2017 manifesto pledge.

It has instead collectively fucked about, risking another five years of Tory government. The Benn Act in particular will be particularly ruinous.

Still stuck on the single issue then.
Keep promoting the tories. Good game plan.

On this particular issue

I’ll ask you as everyone else, why do you refer to the fool in a term you would for no other politician?
Apart from that obvious media gamed idiocy, haven’t you understood the legal game?
You might not know it but that’s the whole game at the moment. Think about what he was told to do and why.
Pulled his own deal?
Keep batting, but don’t moan when you get what you promote.

Brexit has made for strange political bed fellows.

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Brexit made me realise how off-putting the bullying of the left actually was. I was guilty of it myself. Once I had so called lefties bearing down on me on Facebook, I had an epiphany.

I remain convinced to this day that I can convince a Tory that spending 50k on a council estate kid’s higher education is a better investment than having an expensive Moriarty on your hands.

They probably wouldn’t listen to my opinion if I called them a fascist cunt.

History says differently.

That’s really the nicest way i can put it. Get a fucking grip.

bullying by the left or bullying of the left?

Chris Williamson has resigned from the Labour Party and will stand as an Independent in his Derby constituency.

Will he win?
I don’t know the local sentiment, so no idea.

Bulying by the left, and the only correction I’d make there is that left should be in quotes.

We’ve had perfectly reasonable conversations about this and have never fallen out over it. That is because every time we do, we also discuss a lot of other political shit and implicitly realise we agree on far more things than we disagree with, as it ever was.

The truth is that you need people that may vote Tory to vote Labour. Calling them things they’re not is never a good strategy.

Sounds like kinder politics there.
Agreed there shouldn’t be any bullying in politics. But maybe saying how you feel about a particular Tory MP in your own home is perfectly ok.