:labour: New Old Labour in trouble

Flagged as OT. I think we get enough unnecessary conflation of antisemitism in the abstract and Labour in the normal media.

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Tbf @Polski_Filip did say it should maybe go elsewhere but didn’t want to go to an old thread.

Aye, but certainly didn’t belong here either.

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True

I just remembered the wounds of that other thread couldnt find the latest news one in the time i had and i still cant (yet) openly comment on a lot of stuff from my old part of the world.

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Just do a little search in the search box and usually can find a thread from way back. Gone are the days of scrolling through pages to find a thread. :smiley:

Yeah but not so easy in a supermarket queue time wise
:sunglasses:

So, Old Degsy Hatton is readmitted to the Labour Party. There were some interesting comments on twitter about the bad old days on Merseyside - having thugs on the Council payroll as Gardeners who used to intimidate anyone who raised uncomfortably questions. Someone even said they knew of one young Labour activist who disagreed with Degsy was pushed down a flight of stairs and had her leg broken to shut her up. Could be all twitter bollocks, but as someone who hasn’t taken a great deal of interest in the Labour Party I’d be interested to hear the views from those in the know what are their feelings about Hatton and his readmission and whether it’s a good/bad thing and does it actually have all that importance anyway.

Bit weird as I was reading that there were gardeners who refused to go on strike so Hatton sacked them and then the gardens (similar to Kew with lots of green houses) was shut down/destroyed.
Need someone with 80s Liverpool knowledge to come and give some detail.

I’ve met Degsy. I briefly worked for his son. He’d turn up in a soft-top Merc, pastel shirts with a jumper draped over the shoulders. Didn’t really fit the image of hard left socialist from where I was standing.

If you’re expecting the firebrand from the 1980s, I’d prepare to be disappointed. He’s made a lot of money in the intervening years and has mellowed with age.

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Oops…

This is becoming the longest suicide note in history

Sadly…

Actually did something about a complaint - still not good enough.
:woman_shrugging:t2:

Mate, I got suspended for voting for Jeremy Corbyn in the 2016 leadership contest. Gave Iain McNicol proper daggers over it at Glasto that year.

True stories.

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True.

I think the story is more “which muppet let him in without checking his twitter feed”. The Labour Party are fairly quick to suspend usually, its the time taken to resolve that is often the issue

Not sure what the fuss is about. Perhaps sir forgets the recent massacre of over 200 Palestinian civilians years after the 2012 tweet, or the 2014 invasion of Gaza.

Now some people would call killing on that scale mass murder.

Others are too fucking frightened.

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what I think or remember bears no relevance here

My point is that a party who is under siege about anti semitism readmits one of its most controversial ex members without doing any due diligence on their public output and then are forced to backtrack (by senior labour mps I believe) within a couple of days. That just looks incompetent.

I think it does, otherwise how do you reach your conclusions?

I’ve not seen the tweet yet, but if it is as reported, then it’s not antisemitism. It’s pointing out that the government of a nation state routinely murders civilians.

I completely appreciate that the path of least resistance involves not thinking about things too much.

From flogging botox.

This is not a case of what I think of the content of his tweet - I am not sure why you keep trying to bring that in

I am looking at Degsy reinstatement and suspension plus the associated decision making behind it.

I would have thought that Labour have enough on their plate without shooting themselves in the foot by not conducting adequate due diligence on a high profile person. That is my point, my only point on this.

What would you have done if you were in charge of Hatton application decision? Rubber stamped it or thought hmm controversial character, press are going to be all over this one?