Well, if your point is that the public have sniffed out the bollocks that has led to Corbyn being marginalised and that really they support him - I’m not sure that’s true.
Are people seeing beyond this anti Semite stuff? Some people are but you’re claiming that the British public can sniff out bollocks. They can’t.
I know you want to avoid turning this into a brexit thread, but it is wholly relevant. You think people sniffed out the bollocks that the EU stand for and voted to leave. I’m saying they sniffed no such bollocks… they followed media reports about migration destroying their lives.
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You’re right. I don’t want this becoming another Brexit thread, although I must say it is starting to bear some of the halmarks.
Y’see, over there, people ignore actual numbers, like say, the rate of pay people are paid, the number of people that actually voted, balance of payments figures, don’t matter
It looks like you’re starting that again.
My view is that the huge public numbers involved in these polls prove that people are not buying into the broadcast dogma.
You view is that “I am @Fatso. My lone view tops all of that”
Sorry. Can’t help you with that, guv. And I certainly won’t be helping you by giving your nonsense any credence.
So although Corbyn did not actually win… it’s ignoring context and we should forget about the actual numbers as it’s not reflective of that context?
But the actual numbers should be treated as the only context with respect to the Brexit referendum?
We are sadly back to ‘selective reasoning’ - changing your anchor point of logic to suit your POV…
what I have most difficulty with in your approach to debate is that you so frequently do this… a good example is that even on this thread you look to seed your own propaganda on other threads such as here… as with the comment how on the Brexit thread folks ignore ‘facts’ when in reality they do not. They just draw different, broader and with respect more insightful conclusions from them rather than restricting a POV to those that fit an outdated and naive 70s socialist political doctrine. …
I have said that find much of the hounding of Corbin outrageous. But I also believe he has been ineffective in resolving the problem… because the real problem with the Party is much broader… as with the splits that the Torys have had for years over the EU, there are many who although driven by a strong social conscience are not firebrand socialist idealists - they have grown up and recognise politics is global and it’s about compromise.
You present the 5million labour voters who voted Brexit as some sort of triumph as if it validates corbyns stance on the EU… but fail to present a source of that information nor do you present the number of Labour voters who voted remain … which if only 5 million voted Brexit would suggest at least a similar number if not more voted Remain? I was one of them and it’s why the party has deeper problems than the ridiculous anti-semitism accusations
Do me a favour then and answer that balance of payments zinger.
I have to admit I am at a loss as to which zinger that would be? Would it be the one where you have stated we used to have surplus before EEC membership way back when we still just about had a manufacting industry that still escorted to our commonwealth friends … the same industry that has been systematically fucked and dismantled over the last 40 years ?
You have not indicated how that will be addressed so that can once again achieve that surplus?
Wow, this is damning for Corbyn…
Cook making sense of the lies.
Interesting to see who said this.
“It’s repulsive. This is a dedicated anti-racist we’re trashing. I just don’t buy into it at all.” He added of Corbyn: “I don’t believe he’s antisemitic, nor do most reasonable people. He’s anti-Israel and that’s not the same.”
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That’s the clearest account of this “Labour Crisis” I’ve read. Thanks for linking it.
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Excellent article. Thanks for posting it.
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Watched Michael Segalov being ‘interviewed’ on Sky this morning.
He was treated poorly. Trying to find a video of it. Will post if I find it.
Then they cut to their political correspondent to talk about Boris and Corbyn.
They started by saying that the Boris story just wouldn’t die before spending 30 seconds on it, then they went into a two minute piece about Corbyn laying wreaths in 2013 for Palestinians (some of whom, it is alleged, were terrorists).
Sad.
Fuck yeah comrade!
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When I was at the world youth festival in Venezula in 2000 allegedly the Colmbian TV made out it was a training camp for terrorism.
It was just full of young socialists having fun.
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“… young socialists having fun.”
When I was a student the Young Socialists were the most miserable self-righteous buggers around and generally avoided at all costs.
You were clearly the exception to the rule @Intiniki
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Ah walking Above Bar Precinct being harangued with “SOCIALIST WORKER, get your SOCIALIST WORKER HERE”…memories. 
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Lol - where are they now?
Their typical sales pitch I recall was along the lies of;
“The revolution is gonna happen any time soon, just wait. It’ll be along shortly comrade honest. No, really it will…now give us 50p for a copy of the Socialist Worker you middle classed c***…etc…”
Edit: to correct autocorrect 
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Somewhere working in “Financial Services” no doubt.
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Or the IT industry maybe?
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Ahhhh…it all becomes clearer.