:labour: New Old Labour in trouble

Just be thankful they don’t know everything.

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Good for you mate!

More power to you, don’t accept this pathetic official warning. Official warning for what crime? The fact of the matter is that tens of thousands of paid up members were suspended for trumped up imaginary ‘crimes’, because they intended to vote for Corbyn. No other reason, this was gerrymandering on an unprecedented scale in an attempt to place the pathetic Owen Smith as leader. Anyone with an ounce of brain cells knows this to be the case. And it failed miserably.

One of the most shameful events in Labour Party history. And some of the masterminds are still in positions of influence in the party! They should be unceremoniously kicked to the kerb.

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Well, looks like the push to take Raqqa is about to start/has started. Joint attacks on Mosul and Raqqa. I’m genuinely not a war mongerer, I’m a peace loving man, but this has been long overdue.

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That last sentence is a bit Tony Blair.

What is your solution to the IS control of the area?

Wish i had the answers. Unfortunately i don’t. Maybe stop our interference in the area(a bit late now admittedly) and we could stop indirectly arming them.

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It’s a hot mess. The problem is that it’s very difficult knowing who or what to believe. There are a number of nation states involved all giving different accounts of events on the ground. I’ve never been entirely convinced that IS is even legit. Seems a bit sussed that it only sprang into being after our attempts to get boots on the ground in 2013, and despite its reputation as the biggest, baddest scariest Islamist organisation in the world, and in territories surrounding Israel, it has not targeted them.

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are you saying that you’re not convinced that IS exist as a group?

Not convinced that they’re an independent group, or much different from the rebel forces we were looking to join up with in 2013. Wikileaks has revealed that they’re being funded by some of the same Saudis that are ploughing money into the Clinton Foundation.

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we live in a murky world, of that there’s no doubt.

As I get older, I’m actually finding the world more and more confusing and unpleasant. The only solution is to ignore it all, keep your head down and try and save for a big telly.

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Maybe ISIS is just a rebrand.

This stood out.

The director of the National Security Agency under Ronald Reagan, General William Odom recently remarked, “by any measure the U.S. has long used terrorism. In 1978-79 the Senate was trying to pass a law against international terrorism – in every version they produced, the lawyers said the U.S. would be in violation.”

The wests(America) finger prints seem to be on everything.

For those who deny sections of the media have agendas -

Several outlets claimed that Corbyn danced a little jig on the way to the cenotaph - a disgraceful insult to our dead!

Did he?

Of course he fucking didn’t.

He just walked down the street chatting with a veteran, and the Sun chose to crop out the veteran on his big day and instead make up a story for thick people to embrace.

Who buys this shit?

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No-one, after they’ve seen the social media rebuttals.

This is an example of the press being its counterproductive best.

I’ve been watching a series of lectures from Gresham college. They’re pretty good, and cover some of the most tumultous political events and figures of the last 70 years. This is the lecture on the 1945 election.

It’s interesting. There are a lot of parallels between Attlee and Corbyn, particularly in the way that Attlee and his party were attacked during the campaign. Churchill actually claimed that socialists would end up becoming the gestapo, in a time when that word meant much more. It was a bitterly contested affair, no-one gave Attlee a chance, yet it was Labour’s first ever majority and a fucking landslide into the bargain.

Bogdanor reckons one of the reasons that Attlee succeeded was simply because people did not believe the press about Attlee being a fascist. Churchill’s own daughter wrote to him, claiming that we’d essentially practiced socialism in war time, and that it had ended up doing rather a lot of good.

I’ve never met a person in person that doesn’t like Corbyn. Even those that disagree with him politically have respect for the way he conducts himself. If the press were doing its job, as opposed to the one we hope it does, the whole country should be against him. It’s bollocks like this that ensures they are not.

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Whatever monies were paid for that reporters' education, they were too much :D

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So @timsculthorpe. Was yesterday the zenith of your journalistic endeavours? Was it all leading up to this glorious moment?

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The worrying thing is that this bloke has a grand title like Deputy Political Editor.

He’s just a little puppet producing PR for his boss, who is dancing to a tune set by his management, who need to support a government for their own personal gain.

Beyond embarrassing.

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John McDonnell got it right a few weeks ago didn’t he, he took a phone call requesting a quote about something or other from a ‘journalist’ from The Sun.

“You can be one or the other”, he said, “you can’t be both”.

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I think any genuine left of centre people want to be counting their lucky stars that Corbyn is still in power. Yvette Cooper, often touted as a future Labour leader until she actually tried, has been on the political junket circuit, doing little else apart from demonstrating just how out of touch she is.

Out of all the people that have ever contested the leadership with Corbyn, Andy Burnham is the only one among them that would have put up some kind of fight, but even he would never have gone as far in challenging the austerity agenda.

He does look like he’s doing a jig though… :lou_wink_2:

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