The alternative is doing something he doesn’t believe in. As we’ve remarked before, his authenticity is key, and republicanism is hardly an extreme or disrespectful position. Source; most of the rest of the world.
If entire countries such as Australia can have a debate on whether the Queen should be their head of state, then I think individuals are entitled to a view. I wouldn’t kneel for her, and it’s got bugger all to do with being an anarchist. Just don’t agree with how they get the job.
To be really honest, the issue of ‘respect’ should not come in to it - you can respect the Queen for who she is and the traditions, yet there should no longer be situations where we ‘bow’ or kneel before anyone, let alone those who are in their positions through an accident of birth. I am no ‘real anarchist’ Chertsey, not even that much of a republican… I dont agree with it, but not going to lose sleep over the fact they exist… I find it a shame that there will be those who can not repsect Corbyn’s position on this.
…Our political ‘traditions’ are why we still have such idiots baying at each other in the ‘commons’ (and 'Lord’s) (dont get me started on that outdated ridiculous notion). It’s like a playground and IMHO does little to enhance our notion of democracy.
Yes, but how many politicians are being disrespectful to their own monarch, not one adopted from another country? Fine, he doesn’t believe in it,his opinion, but as soon as he does something that compromises his principles we can batter him with I assume?
He’s coming across as contrarian, just because he can. He’s like that lippy kid at school, who spends his time going against all the teaches as he thinks that’s what the other kids like to see and agree with, but ends up with no friends, or in this case, no voters.
What next I wonder on the wacky world of Corbyn?
I am quite a traditionalist in more than one sense of the word, so I don’t see it as necessary to go against these things - just go with the flow and he’ll end up appealing to more people. At every corner he seems to be going out of his way to further ostracise himself from Joe Bloggs. Perhaps he actually doesn’t want to win an election, but to just put an idea forward that Labour can be left wing if they so wish.
When David Cameron snubbed Privy Council sessions with the Queen nothing was said…
#mediaagenda
If you’re an Australian then the Queen is your monarch, not one ‘adopted from another country’. Whilst I take your point about Corbyn attracting criticism by doing this, I’d simply question why he, or anyone else for that matter, should be expected to kneel in front of another human being. And I wouldn’t consider “Because she’s the Queen” to be a valid reason.
That is fair enough and you and your views should be respected. There are many things like this that when you take in isolation, its easy to dismiss as ‘well, Ok dont agree, but for the sake of the greater good/bigger picture’ etc most would feel comfortable compromising… and if a few isolated incidents, I would tend to agree as its a case where the practical compromise enables the bigger principles to shine through… however, it is pretty obvious that most politicians have no ‘boundaries’ and are prepared to compromise any principles to ensure electoral success…
Because they’ll look bad in front of a large proportion of the voting population. Of course, other opinions are available.
Can’t disagree.
That answers the question as to why you think that Corbyn should kneel on this occasion. My question was actually whether anyone should be expected to kneel before another person and, if they should, then why?
Because he’s Matt Le Tissier?
It depends who that person in. In this case, our Queen, I would say although a possibly outdated tradition, she is our monarch, and it is a show of respect and courtesy. The same as why should you hold open a door for a lady?
Shirty, traditions come and go. Ask a slave or a suffragette.
It simply takes one person to stand up for her beliefs and the Emperor is naked.
Then, as the years pass we ask ourselves how these things were ever condoned.
You do, however, make a very valid point about whether he should be slated if he does ever go against his principles.
It will be interesting to see how he handles the backlash. And I’ll have to look at the specific case if/when that happens.
I dont’ remember such outrage when these PCs shunned the Queen!
I would hold a door open for anybody, male or female. This is called manners. Kneeling before someone is neither respect nor manners, it is servility. You are, in effect, affirming that the person in front of is superior to you and acknowledging this superiority.
IMHO, what would be disrespectal of someone or tradition, would be to accept the invitation, and then make a big show of not kneeling… its is respectful to politely decline in advance due to your beliefs that this is an outdated tradition indicating servitude
But this is my opinion, and in my opinion it is now a show of manners and respect, no longer servitude.
So you kneel before anyone you respect?
I would do if I respected them enough. Does not happen often…
But seriously, it’s a respect to the tradition, like calling a current or ex president ‘Mr President’.
Bowing to somebody because they’re of a superior bloodline is one of the most archaic things I can think of.