Be listening on FiveLive I reckon.
It’s a rickshaw.
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4 days in power - “4 legs good, 2 legs better, 4 wheels best”
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Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint
Originally posted by @BTripz
Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint
Hang on, I thought he walked or cycled everywhere!!
It’s a rickshaw.
Sounds more like it was a Ruck-shaw, boom boom
Originally posted by @Chertsey-Saint
Except that it was, apparently, a government car driver and not one of his aides.
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Originally posted by @hoofinruth
Except that it was, apparently, a government car driver and not one of his aides.
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Cherts and BTripz were doing a fine job of being distracted by trivial bullshit. I would like that to continue. If you continue to come on here, clarifying and demystifying this simplistic bollocks, there’s a (small) chance they’ll never believe it 
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Tis a sad indictment of the state of the British media. However that is the media with whom JC has to work with to get his message accross and he has to learn quickly. His refusal to sing the national anthem, right or wrong, has pushed aside the tax credit vote and his key note speech at the TUC congress.
He will have to become a lot more media savvy if he is not going to be slaughtered at every turn.
I must admit I didn’t have high expectations of the Corbyn regime, but in one key respect they are awful bordering on self-defeatingly stupid.
Communication is somewhat important in politics. Communicating to adoring sycophants and acolytes is easy. Communicating to people whose minds you need to change takes work. And I can’t figure out whether it’s because Corbyn is habitually lazy (quite likely) or is frozen in fear at the task facing him. Either way, he’s now given two key speeches - on winning the leadership contest and at the TUC - and they’ve both been dreadful. He’s clearly winging it - something I imagine he’s always done in the past. But winging it exposes your flaws at their worst. So his leadership speech made mention of the things that got him elected, but what really animated him was the “media treatment of my family.” Say it by all means, but for heaven’s sake don’t make it your take-home message.
And the TUC speech was incompetence personified. Someone earlier on this thread (or was it on Steveweb?) tried to claim that Corbyn was the equal of Foot. If that sounded dubious, at best, at the time, it now looks beyond ridiculous. Ordering, crafting and delivering a speech takes work (regardless of talent), and there’s zero evidence that he’s bothered to put the work in. His mistake with the memorial service was not simply to say clearly through the press office that he was attending and was deeply respectful of the sacrifice of the people who’d died in the wars, but that he didn’t think that should be expressed by singing an anthem. That way there would at least have been something for his supporteers to latch onto in the media maelstrom.
Even his acolytes - who persist with the self-defeating “Corbyn doing it a new way” line - had better recognise that communicating to the world beyond the fawners is of the essence of politics. Nor is it any good saying the “MSM” can be safely ignored because they’re old-school and don’t matter. That’s wrong on both counts. They do matter, and they’re far from old school anyway as they’re stitched into new media (twitter, under-article comments, etc) in a way that can undermine their “propaganda”.
So even as someone who thinks Corbyn is a disaster, I wouldn’t mind seeing him at least make an effort. And then let’s see how he goes from that basic starting point.
So far, though, I’m giving him an F - both for effort and for outcome.
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So far, though, I’m giving him an F - both for effort and for outcome.
A grade that you should never have been able to hand out according to your predicted outcome.
I’m marking that aspect of your work as ungraded
Hmm …an easy start to PMQs - JC asking questions from the public. Interesting approach by JC, but surely a gimmick that he cannot afford to repeat too often, firstly he has to be seen to be taking the initiative and secondly, DC got an easy ride.
Well, PMQ’s was interesting.
First of all, the way Corbyn has forced it into a more mature debate is only a good thing - PMQ’s had decended into a farce.
Secondly, I actually liked the way that Corbyn asked questions from the general public - even if it was a bit like ‘This Morning’.
It was pretty even, and a good first attempt by Corbyn. MASSIVE improvement over Milliband.
Reasoned and reasonable.
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Cameron and the Tory party will happily do that every week.
Quite so. It came across as the new one-party state in action. Cameron couldn’t be rude about the questions because he would appear rude to voters. But it meant there were no proper scrutinising, challenging supplementaries. An Opposition has to oppose, whatever the forum, however much you may dislike that forum.
Shall we have sweepstake as to when the media will find something else to bang on about? I think last week there were some issues about refugees but not sure as they don’t appear to have that on the front pages at mo. Maybe I was wrong.
I’ve found Corbyn to speak well when he doesn’t have a script. He had a script at the at TUC and faltered. So he’s human.
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Can we have two? The other one will be how many times Furball uses “one party state” in any given week.
Obviously, we’ll need to find a new game if he changes his game up, but we should be good for months, if not years.
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Lol, Casetteboy strikes again.
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This paranoia about the media reporting in any way on JC is all getting a bit cultish. Very odd. Let’s have a full and frank discussion of the new poltiics of 1973. The JC charabanc needs more scrutiny, not less.
What needs challenging above all is the conceit that the Labour selectorate has put to rights the evil electorate’s decision just a few weeks ago to elect a majority Tory government for the first time in more than two decades.
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Originally posted by @hoofinruth
Except that it was, apparently, a government car driver and not one of his aides.
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Cherts and BTripz were doing a fine job of being distracted by trivial bullshit. I would like that to continue. If you continue to come on here, clarifying and demystifying this simplistic bollocks, there’s a (small) chance they’ll never believe it
Juist because I don’t mention them and choose to take the P instead doesn’t mean I am not aware of what else if going on…